solid proof of evolution

NOVA said:
The mystery is what caused that very first bit of matter to come into existence and what was it....what was "the beginning"....
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I like this.

Here where we live the first people refer to a supreme being as "Kichi-manidoo" which is often translated into English as "Great Spirit", or God in the Christian sense. However, the word "manidoo" more accurately means "mystery." According to the cosmology, all of us -- ppl, animals, rocks, water, and stuff made out of that stuff -- contains manidoo... spirit, mystery. We can't know the form or essence of this spirit so it is mystery to our understanding, yet still alive and of worth. I find this in line with my own views. What do you think?
 
Micawber said:
And Jonus was swallowed by a whale, and Sampson's strength was in his hair, and Noah built an arc from wood that carried 2 of every creature in the world on it while god flooded the entire planet.

Your theology is fucking retarded. My 4 year old knows better.
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Are you one of those that takes the Bible as literally fact.....those of us with a brain realize that primitive people used mythological concepts to explain

what they couldn't understand with their limited knowledge or pass on story's that were handed down for hundreds of years before they tried to put them into written words......

Don't write mythology as unimportant....;)

https://www.thoughtco.com/myth-and-e...reation-111788
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I like this.

Here where we live the first people refer to a supreme being as "Kichi-manidoo" which is often translated into English as "Great Spirit", or God in the Christian sense. However, the word "manidoo" more accurately means "mystery." According to the cosmology, all of us -- ppl, animals, rocks, water, and stuff made out of that stuff -- contains manidoo... spirit, mystery. We can't know the form or essence of this spirit so it is mystery to our understanding, yet still alive and of worth. I find this in line with my own views. What do you think?
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Scientists tell us that mutations are the driving force behind evolution. It is also a scientific fact that mutations destroy genetic information. You are also faced with the problem of where that information came from in the first place. DNA is a language. Every scientific observation ever made confirms that language comes only from intelligent minds. So where did the language of DNA come from? I guess you believe it just evolved on it's own. Tell me. What do you think would happen if you made random changes in your PC's operating system? Would it run better? LOL! Fools!
 
Cypress said:
It is comedy gold, chap!

Conservatives may also be surprised and amazed to learn that no one has every actually seen or photographed an electron or a neutrino.
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True, my father's nuclear physics PhD mentor won a (shared) Nobel prize in physics for proving, as you suggest, the existence of the neutrino. I believe in entailed
being somewhere underground near a reactor and sensing it somehow. I don't think he looked at it, but like a camera, the "image" of that particle was detected by its reaction
with cadmium or something. The second you enter the realm of requiring a tool to effect a human sensory experience, you lose them. What caused my sunburn?
Jesus.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Scientists tell us that mutations are the driving force behind evolution. It is also a scientific fact that mutations destroy genetic information. You are also faced with the problem of where that information came from in the first place. DNA is a language. Every scientific observation ever made confirms that language comes only from intelligent minds. So where did the language of DNA come from? I guess you believe it just evolved on it's own. Tell me. What do you think would happen if you made random changes in your PC's operating system? Would it run better? LOL! Fools!
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This is the intelligent design fallacy. It is a religious belief.See the Kitzmiller opinion.

If you do not concede the possibility of 14 trillion monkeys typing on 14 million typewriters for 14 trillion years could result in
a symphony, you are incapable of even understanding the conceptual basis of evolution. Now we can winnow that down
knowing that as far as biological life is concerned, there is competition in niches, and those random mutations that forward
sexual reproduction are favored. We are not merely speaking of randomness then. The "intelligent" force your tiny mind is
searching for in the anthropomorphic hellscape you live in, is simply replaced with natural selection. Our large and superior minds
apprehend this mechanism. Sadly, your inferior brains can't.
 
Micawber said:
The problem for science is that with every breakthrough that eventually gets accepted in religious orthodoxy, they claim it as their own faster than Buzz Aldrin can claim the entire moon for the USA.


"OK, big bang? Well, that doesnt fit well neatly with our turtle on four elephants theory, but if its true, then God did it."

That's what you deal with. As with politics, its largely tribal. I'll cop to my tribe. My tribe's organizing principle is rationality and evidence based belief.
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The Big Bang comports with the first verse of Genesis.

In the beginning God created...
 
NOVA said:
Are you one of those that takes the Bible as literally fact.....those of us with a brain realize that primitive people used mythological concepts to explain

what they couldn't understand with their limited knowledge or pass on story's that were handed down for hundreds of years before they tried to put them into written words......

Don't write mythology as unimportant....;)

https://www.thoughtco.com/myth-and-e...reation-111788
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How convenient for you. You get to cherry pick the metaphor from the literal as needed. Tell me, does Jebus provide cliff's notes?
 
Thing1 said:
Where did I say that people said either the universe or sun doesn't exist?

Think it through, bravs. We used to have no scientific explanation for the sun, so people worshipped it like a god. We currently have no explanation for how the universe came into being - but that doesn't mean an explanation doesn't exist.
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Think WHAT through, thingy.

People, through every minute of their existence have worshiped almost everything as a deity at one time or another....all throughout the history we are aware of....that
seems to be something innate in the human animal.....

No one is saying an explanation doesn't exist for the origins of the universe, ...and that explanation will most likely be as its already believed, by some,

its always existed, which in itself isn't sufficient....its the universal cop out for something that has no explanation unless you turn to some GOD and claim he
brought it into existence.....

so I repeat, " 'something could not just appear out of nothing, not even a single electron or proton or any bit of matter
.....thats no more scientific and is no more or less ridiculous than believing in whatever your concept of God is.....

 
Micawber said:
How convenient for you. You get to cherry pick the metaphor from the literal as needed. Tell me, does Jebus provide cliff's notes?
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Got me...:dunno:..I don't claim there is a god....and of course I don't deny there could be one....I'm an agnostic as I stated in another post

and no matter what you think you believe, you don't know either
 
Micawber said:
True, my father's nuclear physics PhD mentor won a (shared) Nobel prize in physics for proving, as you suggest, the existence of the neutrino. I believe in entailed
being somewhere underground near a reactor and sensing it somehow. I don't think he looked at it, but like a camera, the "image" of that particle was detected by its reaction
with cadmium or something. The second you enter the realm of requiring a tool to effect a human sensory experience, you lose them. What caused my sunburn?
Jesus.
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Rightwing logic:

"Until I can see and photograph a jellyfish morphing into an armadillo, evolution sounds like a bunch of Kenyan Marxist nonsense to me!"
 
NOVA said:
Got me...:dunno:..I don't claim there is a god....and of course I don't deny there could be one....I'm an agnostic as I stated in another post

and no matter what you think you believe, you don't know either
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Well. Since the universe could not have always existed, and since nothing physical can create itself, that leaves only one option left. When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. The universe was created.
 
Cypress said:
Rightwing logic:

"Until I can see and photograph a jellyfish morphing into an armadillo, evolution sounds like a bunch of Kenyan Marxist nonsense to me!"
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LOL. And if you could find a convincing one, they would simply say God did it. God would then own evolution.
Many take that position. The christian religion is itself a transitional fossil.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Well. Since the universe could not have always existed, and since nothing physical can create itself, that leaves only one option left. When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. The universe was created.
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Unfortunately for you and your apparently shrinking brain, that is a philosophical view, and illogical, by the way, not a scientific one.

Grok this. Do you believe in cause effect? If you do then any creation whether sentient or unintentioned, violates logic.
Why carve out an exception to cause effect by assuming there must be a first cause. That "first" cause must be the effect of some other
cause or force, right? Makes no sense to have a rule called cause and effect and immediately break it on the first move.

Is your tiny brain exploding?
 
Micawber said:
LOL. And if you could find a convincing one, they would simply say God did it. God would then own evolution.
Many take that position. The christian religion is itself a transitional fossil.
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I think what you generally find on message boards are the more repellent style of fundamentalist, evangelical, fake Christian.
Because they tend to wear their religion on their sleeves, run their mouths about it, and seem to be less educated in general.

I know many Christians who accept evolution including Catholics and Russian Orthodox - i.e., Christians who can actually trace their roots back to the ancient church and are theologically generally conservative. They just seem to be more educated, don't wear their religion on the sleeves, or run their mouths about it like the evangelical fake Christians do.

I actually know Christians who are ecologists, geoscientists, and marine scientists.

So, I can't call out all Christians for being anti-science....in my experience, most Christians I know are pro-science and accept the probability that evolution occurred. The sheer volume of the loud-mouthed, evangelical fake Christians just make it seem like Christianity more broadly is safe harbor for ignoramuses, boobs, and dunces. Just my two cents.
 
Micawber said:
Unfortunately for you and your apparently shrinking brain, that is a philosophical view, and illogical, by the way, not a scientific one.

Grok this. Do you believe in cause effect? If you do then any creation whether sentient or unintentioned, violates logic.
Why carve out an exception to cause effect by assuming there must be a first cause. That "first" cause must be the effect of some other
cause or force, right? Makes no sense to have a rule called cause and effect and immediately break it on the first move.

Is your tiny brain exploding?
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Well, when you have a logical explanation, let us in on it.....
 
Cypress said:
I think what you generally find on message boards are the more repellent style of fundamentalist, evangelical, fake Christian.
Because they tend to wear their religion on their sleeves, run their mouths about it, and seem to be less educated in general.

I know many Christians who accept evolution including Catholics, Russian Orthodox - Christians who can actually trace their roots back to the ancient church and are theologically conservative. They just seem to be more educated, don't wear their religion on the sleeves or run their mouths like the evangelical fake Christians do.

I actually know Christians who are ecologists, geoscientists, and marine scientists.

So, I can't call out all Christians for being anti-science....in my experience, most Christians I know are pro-science and accept the probability that evolution occurred. The sheer volume of the loud mouth, evangelical fake Christians just make it seem like Christianity more broadly is safe harbor for ignoramuses, boobs, and dunces.
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Of course I know that is true too, but we have to play the ball where it lies, and we are speaking to these turbo fundies.

However, the "smart"(or perhaps practical?) christians to whom you are referring never seem to summon the courage to
take on the fundie flank. They are not being honest for fear of angering those nitwits.... Many are pleased atheists do the heavy
lifting for them.
 
Micawber said:
Of course I know that is true too, but we have to play the ball where it lies, and we are speaking to these turbo fundies.

However, the "smart"(or perhaps practical?) christians to whom you are referring never seem to summon the courage to
take on the fundie flank. They are not being honest for fear of angering those nitwits.... Many are pleased atheists do the heavy
lifting for them.
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I can see your point.
 
Cypress said:
I think what you generally find on message boards are the more repellent style of fundamentalist, evangelical, fake Christian.
Because they tend to wear their religion on their sleeves, run their mouths about it, and seem to be less educated in general.

I know many Christians who accept evolution including Catholics and Russian Orthodox - i.e., Christians who can actually trace their roots back to the ancient church and are theologically generally conservative. They just seem to be more educated, don't wear their religion on the sleeves, or run their mouths about it like the evangelical fake Christians do.

I actually know Christians who are ecologists, geoscientists, and marine scientists.

So, I can't call out all Christians for being anti-science....in my experience, most Christians I know are pro-science and accept the probability that evolution occurred. The sheer volume of the loud-mouthed, evangelical fake Christians just make it seem like Christianity more broadly is safe harbor for ignoramuses, boobs, and dunces. Just my two cents.
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We've finished the debate on evolution....and have no disagreement with the science of it in general.....try to keep up.
 
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