Socialism Pt 3: Socialism that trump loves

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...invented-the-individual-mandate/#622585836187
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

And you got to be daft, in response to "C's" post I said Obamacare was partially socialistic, but that it also is Market based, otherwise it would be a single payer program, if you are going to attempt contributing to a thread at least know what you are talking about

You sad willful whiny little idiot:

Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate

Is the individual mandate at the heart of "ObamaCare" a conservative idea? Is it constitutional? And was it invented at The Heritage Foundation? In a word, no.
https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/dont-blame-heritage-obamacare-mandate

No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal
https://prospect.org/article/no-obamacare-wasnt-republican-proposal

 

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Yes, words have meaning. The trouble is, dictionaries don't define words. People do.

Dictionaries are useful for standardizing spelling and punctuation, and for giving examples of how a word is used, but no dictionary owns any word.

The word 'socialism' appears to have first been coined by Pierre Leroux in France around 1797. By 1835, the word was in popular use in France, taking on the modern meaning we use today.

The 'social' in 'socialism' refers to how an economy is treated. A socialist government treats the economy like a thing to be controlled for the social benefit of the people. It can do it by just controlling production and distribution (fascism), or by outright ownership (communism).

Karl Marx wrote about the path to communism, using fascism as a stepping stone to the Perfect Utopia of communism, as he saw it. He communicated his ideas to Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pres. Hoover (and soon to be Pres. FDR), and even to Winston Churchill. Each one of them implemented their view of Karl Marx's arguments, sometimes completely, sometimes only partially.

The resulting World War that came out of those ideas have results that still affect us today.

Whew, and I thought his "dissertations" on science were strange

Fascism, a political ideology, isn't germane to socialism, an economic concept, actually the regimentation of the economy is just as much associated with left wing and right wing dictatorships, your transition from Marx to Hitler to Hoover and Roosevelt is flat out weird

The fact conservatives can't accept, leastwise from what I have seen on this forum, is that America has been partially socialist dating back to the 19th Century, just like the rest of the world, the US has a mixed economy, it is part socialist, part capitalist.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Yep.. trump was real generous, it aint his money, cost him nothing..

Wait. Isn't "welfare" also bad? Or is that only when a (D) is POTUS?

 

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Yep.. trump was real generous, it aint his money, cost him nothing..
from last years bailout "reminded of welfare"

Seriously? You whiny, low IQ, uneducated hypocrite. I will expect to see this rant every time Democrats pass a bill stealing more American wealth to promote their Marxist welfare-ism.

 

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Wait. Isn't "welfare" also bad? Or is that only when a (D) is POTUS?

Welfare is bad. How is turning a nations citizens into dependent wards of the state good?

 

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You sad willful whiny little idiot:

Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate

Is the individual mandate at the heart of "ObamaCare" a conservative idea? Is it constitutional? And was it invented at The Heritage Foundation? In a word, no.
https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/dont-blame-heritage-obamacare-mandate

No, Obamacare Wasn't a "Republican" Proposal
https://prospect.org/article/no-obamacare-wasnt-republican-proposal

Yeah, forty years later what in the hell do expect the Heritage to say, and show us where the Heritage plan doesn't include a individual mandate, the one thing the conservatives were so supposedly so angry at in the ACA, in fact it was the argument against Hillary care back in the day, in the article I provided from Forbes both Nyet and Mitch both confirmed such

Even your attempts at deflection are weak

 

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Yes, it was in some cases. In those cases, there was only one 'authorized supplier', the government itself.

And as I said, partially socialistic, but still market based

 

[Bill]

Wait. Isn't "welfare" also bad? Or is that only when a (D) is POTUS?

Not sure, I heard that is what evil ppl do to "keep them on the plantation"...... Those pO' farmers.........

 

[Sailor]

Any Gov't involvement in the economy is socialistic, in pure capitalism the farmers would be on their own

Any bailout, anything the government does is paid for by capitalism. How dense is anybody claiming otherwise. Nothing socialist about this at all.

 

[Althea]

I am very interested to find out who, exactly, is receiving this bailout money. The word "farmer" evokes a sympathetic mental picture of a man in overalls, working hard with the help of his family, to manage a hundred acres or so growing corn, beans, maybe some hogs or cattle as well. But how many "farmers" are actually huge corporate concerns? How are they receiving this money? Is it based on acreage farmed? Last year's tax return? Is the corporate farm a holder of a massive amount of acreage, which is then leased to those individual farmers who actually do all the hard work? If so, do those farmers benefit in any way from the bailout, or does the corporation keep it? How does this stuff all work?

Excellent point. Don't expect any sunlight to be offered by this admin.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Any bailout, anything the government does is paid for by capitalism. How dense is anybody claiming otherwise. Nothing socialist about this at all.

That's good. Please tell your brethren on the right that our bailout of GM et al was not socialism either. Thanks.

 

[Althea]

Wow, I am surprised you have this opinion.....

If it was Obama it damn sure would be...............

Can you believe how far he's devolved mentally?

 

[Sailor]

That's good. Please tell your brethren on the right that our bailout of GM et al was not socialism either. Thanks.

Not up to me to educate folks.

 

[Althea]

Any Gov't involvement in the economy is socialistic, in pure capitalism the farmers would be on their own

Correct.

 

[Althea]

Straight out of Kelly Anne's wherever. lol I wonder how China "targeted US farmers" -- by buying our crops and meats? I bet the farmers are wishing for some more of that "targeting."

LMAO. Trying to make sense out of an inane comment regarding the tariffs.

 

[Bill]

Can you believe how far he's devolved mentally?

Well I think we both still like him & I honestly don't think he is as bad as his bark here..

He is def more adamant about his positions though..

To bad trump can't even be half the man most of his fans think he is.......

 

[Althea]

Well I think we both still like him & I honestly don't think he is as bad as his bark here..

He is def more adamant about his positions though..

To bad trump can't even be half the man most of his fans think he is.......

We'll always love Cosmic. It's just too sad to watch. Dementia is a bitch.

 

[Althea]

Any bailout, anything the government does is paid for by capitalism. How dense is anybody claiming otherwise. Nothing socialist about this at all.

So then there can't be anything that's Socialism in America. Best if trump gets the memo.

 

[Bill]

We'll always love Cosmic.

IMHO he has the right to be wrong if he wants, & I'm sure he feels the same about us......lol

He isn't as dogmatic or defensive as he appears sometimes & can be flexible in some of his positions like he use to be, even of trump, but it's harder to be when you're on the defensive, ppl criticizing & name calling..

 

[Sailor]

So then there can't be anything that's Socialism in America. Best if trump gets the memo.

That is correct. Every "social" program in this country is paid for by capitalism. People that wrongly like to throw around the USPS, military, etc. Those are all services paid for by tax dollars provided by capitalism. Free enterprise businesses. The government could not pay for any of that without business and taxpayers. They produce nothing, they sell nothing, they do nothing other than take tax monies and move the money around. If they had to pay for anything themselves, it would not exist.