So, You Want $15 An Hour?

They are evil.

To sum it up...yes.

If you look at the world of Christianity, which tends to divide Jesus Christ as 'good' and Satan as 'evil', look at what the two preach as their doctrine:

Jesus Christ preaches the doctrine of choice. You are free to choose for yourself. You are not free of the consequences of that choice.
Satan, on the other hand, has always preached compulsion. There is no choice. Everyone is compelled in their actions.

I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but these two viewpoints couldn't be more telling. I find the parallel quite revealing.
 
To sum it up...yes.

If you look at the world of Christianity, which tends to divide Jesus Christ as 'good' and Satan as 'evil', look at what the two preach as their doctrine:

Jesus Christ preaches the doctrine of choice. You are free to choose for yourself. You are not free of the consequences of that choice.
Satan, on the other hand, has always preached compulsion. There is no choice. Everyone is compelled in their actions.

I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but these two viewpoints couldn't be more telling. I find the parallel quite revealing.

When does Jesus do that? If he lived, he died long ago and nothing he said was transcribed.
 
You assholes who think the minimum wage shouldn't go up always claimed that doing so would raise prices.

Well, now that so many stores are using automated checkouts, why aren't prices going down?

Oh, and if you think $15/hr is too much for minimum wage, then I think that six or seven figures is too much for a CEO's salary. :)

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You assholes who think the minimum wage shouldn't go up always claimed that doing so would raise prices.

Well, now that so many stores are using automated checkouts, why aren't prices going down?

Oh, and if you think $15/hr is too much for minimum wage, then I think that six or seven figures is too much for a CEO's salary.


1) I'm not against mw going up, it's just a matter of how much and for whom. I don't think teenagers need to earn $15 an hour to screw up my order at Burger King.

2) You say prices aren't going down in response to automation, but how do you know they wouldn't have gone UP if NOT for automation? You don't.

3) I don't think anyone disagrees with you on the CEO salary issue, but what're ya gonna do? There aren't that many highly talented people with the required business acumen who also have proven track records. So because they are free to decline offers they feel are too low and go somewhere else, companies pay their demands. But the main issue in that regard has to do with stock options, which is what constitutes most of these high compensation packages.

So, a lot of misinformation in your claims.

1. Given the profits Burger King makes (so long as they don't over-expand), they can well afford $15/hr. And remember, not everyone who works at a burger joint is a teenager. Now prices over the years have gone up under the minimum wages of $7 and such, so if Burger King claims that they have to raise prices to compensate for an increased wage minimum, they are lying. Once again, corporate greed takes hold.

2. So you prefer speculation and guess work to historical reality? That doesn't make sense.

3. That is pure supposition and conjecture! These same indispensable geniuses you tout gave us all financial debacles and corruptions in the past 25 years. If it weren't for gov't bailouts, they would have had to hit the bricks with their resumes like everyone else. No way on God's green earth could you NOT find replacements for them (think all those "smaller" financial institutions that the big conglomerates continually try to squeeze out). The golden parachutes given to all this white collar clowns are of their own design...based on greed and not real life need.
 
Some on the left believe we should merely use capitalism to do the "heavy lifting" regarding objective, market based metrics. Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can simply reserve labor so that those who want to work will command higher wages for their better skills and motivation.
 
Some on the left believe we should merely use capitalism to do the "heavy lifting" regarding objective, market based metrics. Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can simply reserve labor so that those who want to work will command higher wages for their better skills and motivation.

If they call themselves "left" and don't support seizing the means of production, then they're not "left", they're centrists.
 
1. Given the profits Burger King makes (so long as they don't over-expand), they can well afford $15/hr.
Prices, including wages, are set by the free market (unless the government intervenes with fascism). Price controls do not work. You do not get to dictate what anyone can afford, except you.
And remember, not everyone who works at a burger joint is a teenager.
So?
Now prices over the years have gone up under the minimum wages of $7 and such, so if Burger King claims that they have to raise prices to compensate for an increased wage minimum, they are lying.
No, they are not. They have other costs to operate besides paying a staff. Burger King is currently in financial trouble.
Once again, corporate greed takes hold.
It had better. Profit is the ONLY thing that keeps a corporation running. Obviously, you consider profit EVIL. You don't even deserve to have a job. I wouldn't hire you. I hire people willing to work. I pay them market wages for the job they do.
2. So you prefer speculation and guess work to historical reality? That doesn't make sense.
You are describing yourself. You have obviously never run a business. Don't feel bad. Most people have no idea what it takes to stay in business.
3. That is pure supposition and conjecture! These same indispensable geniuses you tout gave us all financial debacles and corruptions in the past 25 years.
Nope. The only thing you can blame is the Federal Reserve and Congress printing money as fast as it can.

Examples:
The dot.com crash of 2001 was caused by easy money (printing) and speculation of everyday people in 'companies' that were little more than 20 lines of script code. When the crows came back home to roost, the crash itself occurred.
The housing crash of 2007 was caused by easy money (printing) and speculation of everyday people in flipping houses. They got caught when housing prices dropped, rather than rose, and the crash occurred. The international loans took years to unwind, thanks to government interference.

The crash of 2019 was caused by Democrats shutting down the economy, which destroyed businesses everywhere. The government response, deprived of revenue, was to print tremendous amounts of MORE money to cover their expenses and expansion.

The solution by government in both cases (especially the last) was to print MORE money and give it to government and a few banks that didn't deserve it, but were friends with the government.

If it weren't for gov't bailouts,
Just one. The 2007 crash, where government bailed out some Democrat bankers.
they would have had to hit the bricks with their resumes like everyone else.
And in that case they should have. It would have, however, started a run on U.S. banks everywhere as major institutions failed and went into bankruptcy. It would have shown just how broke the U.S. government really is.
No way on God's green earth could you NOT find replacements for them
For the 2007 crash, that is true. A bank going into receivership would be bought by someone that is more capable at firesale prices.

For the 2001 and 2019 crashes, there are no replacements. Businesses were DESTROYED in the 2019 crash and depression that followed.

(think all those "smaller" financial institutions that the big conglomerates continually try to squeeze out).
They can't. Big institutions can't maneuver nearly as well in the market as some little startups. Sooner or later, those startups come along and shoot the kneecaps off the big company.

Examples: Microsoft against IBM, Linux against Microsoft, Toyota against Ford and GM, Amazon against Barnes and Noble, Amazon against Google, Gab against Twitter. There are many other examples.

The golden parachutes given to all this white collar clowns are of their own design...based on greed and not real life need.
You seem to think all crashes have the same cause. They don't. If anyone is to blame for the last few crashes though, it's the Federal Reserve and Congress, right along with the use of fiat money.
 
Some on the left believe we should merely use capitalism to do the "heavy lifting" regarding objective, market based metrics. Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can simply reserve labor so that those who want to work will command higher wages for their better skills and motivation.

The Democrats do not want capitalism, except to steal from.
 
they're great at capitalism, they sold america's future for their own profit.

neocon globalists like you help.

Democrats don't want capitalism. They are socialists. Bjuzzword fallacies. 'America' is a proper noun. It is capitalized.
The first word of a sentence is capitalized.
 
Some on the left believe we should merely use capitalism to do the "heavy lifting" regarding objective, market based metrics. Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can simply reserve labor so that those who want to work will command higher wages for their better skills and motivation.

Lots of companies making huge profits do not rely on highly skilled labor. The average fast-food worker is over 24. They are not just kids. If those workers do not show up for work, the company makes nothing. They should treat them as valuable parts of their business.
 
Lots of companies making huge profits do not rely on highly skilled labor. The average fast-food worker is over 24. They are not just kids. If those workers do not show up for work, the company makes nothing. They should treat them as valuable parts of their business.

Still don't get the concept of price discovery, do you?
 
Some on the left believe we should merely use capitalism to do the "heavy lifting" regarding objective, market based metrics. Equal protection of our own at-will employment laws can simply reserve labor so that those who want to work will command higher wages for their better skills and motivation.

Your first sentence was disproven via our exchanges. You stubbornly insist to the point of insipidness on your personal opinions and interpretations substituting historically valid and documented facts and precedents. The reason people are fighting for a $15/hr minimum wage is exercising those protections brought about the people pushing their gov't reps to change the law. PEOPLE change/make laws and thus create government....NOT vice versa. That you refuse to accept this reality is of no consequence.
 
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