It's not in any legal dictionary but is included in the White Nationalist dictionary. Jus' sayin' given Fredo's long, long history of racism and antisemitism.
So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial
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I think this may be the test case for Trump's "birthright citizenship" EO that supposedly cancels citizenship based on just being born here when the parents were here illegally...So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial. Everyone knows he is not an illegal alien, but illegal aliens do not have the right to question whether they are an illegal alien, so he cannot get free, even though he is not an illegal alien.
Fascism is, among other things, weird.
U.S.-born American citizen under ICE hold in Florida after driving from Georgia
Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez is being held even though a county judge found his birth certificate “authentic” and said there wasn’t reason to consider him an “illegal alien.”www.yahoo.com
In order to get it into courts someone has to be the first to be arrested, and it seems that this may be the unlucky dude that gets to test Trump's theory.
I will follow this one (we should regardless) to see if I am right on this, but I think that they found the first test of that EO.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Please provide the name of this J6er that you think was locked up without due process. So far no one has been able to provide any evidence of such a person existing. It is nothing more the RW delusion.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Already was released. The issue was that a judge didn't have the power to order the release.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
are you saying there were none?
Then this one wasn't the test case. We need to pay attention, there will be a first test case on that EO... I've been waiting to see it. I do not know if there are enough originalists that see the Constitution as a Compact or Contract to go for the "original intent" argument on the SCOTUS to have it work out for him. I think there may still be too many "living document" advocates on the SCOTUS.
An encroachment upon the rights of another; (Such as in invasion of privacy.)
the incursion of an army for conquest or plunder. (Note the term army. A terrorist organization is not an army.)
The test case is the Trump administration threatening to not provide SS#s to persons born in the US. Four judges around the country have already ruled against Trump and the USSC has agreed to hear oral arguments next month while refusing to remove the stay.
I am saying there were none because no one has been able to provide the name of this fictional person held without getting any hearing.
^^^so only racists understand what an invasion is?
you're dumb as fuck.
Doesn't understand why he is wrong.
The thing must actually apply to someone for it to go into court. Threatening but not doing something will not get it there.
T. A. Gardner
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We shall see soon enough as the Supreme Court has taken up the case of Trump's executive order ending birth right citizenship for illegals and tourists. But in the case of this guy: If he had Mexican citizenship, then he may have deliberately or accidently renounced his US citizenship.No, you're wrong:
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Birthright citizenship is explicitly guaranteed to anyone born under the legal "jurisdiction" of the U.S. federal government by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (adopted July 9, 1868), which states:
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Source:
Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I suspect what you're actually getting at is Trump's opposition to this law. From the same article as above:
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Upon taking office in 2025, President Trump issued an executive order asserting that the federal government would not recognize jus soli birthright citizenship for the children of non-citizens. The executive order has been challenged in court, and a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order blocking its implementation, calling it "blatantly unconstitutional."
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Also from the same article, a poll showed that most Americans oppose changes to the birthright citizenship law:
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According to a January 2025 Associated Press poll, a majority (51%) of Americans oppose changes to the birthright citizenship in the United States, while 28% are in favor of Trump's Day 1 action and 20% are undecided.
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As for some district judge ruling on this case, what I've seen in the last 90-ish days with them gives me ZERO confidence in any ruling they make that involves the Trump administration. We as a nation have NEVER seen low ranking federal judges step in like they have in the past 90 days to effectively take over US domestic and foreign policy. It's on course to see those judges issue more national injunctions in just 4 to 6 months than in the entire history of the nation.
I personally think citizenship is far too important and valuable to be giving it to those who committed a crime to come here and have a child or, those who are merely tourists or temporarily in the country. Criminal activity should never be rewarded and those who came to the US on a temporary basis with no intent to remain, should not be granted citizenship on what amounts to a whim.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Lucas Denney of Texas, for example (see my post above).
I just did. That's one case, there are others.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
If the nation you became a citizen of does not recognize dual citizens then you many have done just that without recognizing you did.
I haven't paid all that much attention but I think the one in the NE was argued denying SS#s was going to overwhelm the system for health care professionals amongst others.
This help?
"You don’t see this very often in federal court, but one of the January 6 (J6) Defendants, Lucas Denney, is being held illegally. He was arrested in Texas on December 13, 2021, and brought before a federal magistrate, who ordered him detained without bond on a criminal Complaint. It then took six weeks to transfer him to DC, where he is currently being held. He has not appeared before a federal judge in DC since his arrival, although that will change Monday afternoon as a result of his lawyer seeking his release.
Denney’s case involves two distinct, major screwups. The first is that he was not afforded a Preliminary Hearing, to which he is entitled under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and the Constitution. The second is that he has not been indicted by a grand jury within 30 days of his arrest, as required by the federal Speedy Trial Act. Consequently, Denney’s detention has been unlawful since at least late January 2022.
The Department of Justice (DOJ) alleges that Denney participated in the riot on January 6, 2021, in Washington D.C. at the United States Capitol. It charged Denney with five felonies: assaults, civil disorder, and obstructions of an official proceeding, and with seven trespassing misdemeanors. An arrest warrant was issued for him in December 2021 based on a criminal Complaint sworn out by a law enforcement officer, not on an indictment returned by a grand jury."
or,
WASHINGTON D.C., DC — The Department of Justice has arrested more than 535 people for taking part in the January 6 insurrection on the U.S. Capitol building. Some of those trials are months, possibly years away.
Verify viewer Kelley from Alexandria, Virginia asked the Verify team if some of the accused remain behind bars nearly six months later.
“Is it true people arrested [for crimes on January 6th] are still being held in jail with no bail," she asked in an email. "What are the charges?"
Let's Verify.
THE QUESTION
Are people accused of participating in the January 6th insurrection on the U.S. Capitol still being held in jail without bail? If so, what are their charges?OUR SOURCES
- Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers
- U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit Court: United States v. Munchel
THE ANSWER
Yes, several people are being held without bail in the D.C. Jail for crimes they allegedly committed during the Capitol riots.or,
Jail violated civil rights of Capitol riot defendant, U.S. judge says
I suspect you believe that because Walt saying that Mexico doesn't recognize dual citizenship? As I told him, unless there's a difference between recognizing and allowing dual citizenship, that hasn't been true since 1998:
Double Nationality
If you have another nationality in addition to Mexican nationality, this information is for you.
www.gob.mx
Not all crimes are the same, Terry. Sad you don't understand that point.
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor under Federal law.
OTOH, attacking police, destroying public property and threatening to murder elected officials are Federal felonies...crimes which your Orange Messiah pardoned.