So, Conservatives, do you support Mubarak or not?

Dixie said:
I understand you have to divert the points I made about the static pinhead mind, but why do you have to just outright lie? I have fairly good knowledge of how life was in Iraq under Saddam, one of my closest friends is a Kurdish Iraqi who lived under Saddam. When I was in Iraq, it was only for a short time, and I was not in the "green zone" very often. This has nothing to do with how life was under Saddam, versus how life will be in a thriving Arab democracy one day.

The insurgency, even in the most Liberal estimate I can conjur up, is no more than 20% of the total population of the country. This means, out of every FIVE Iraqi's, only ONE is even possibly a part of this threat. This means, for every 100 insurgents, there are 400 Iraqi's ready to put a bullet in their heads. Who the fuck do you think will eventually WIN this confrontation?

Yeah, it's bad right now, because a "few nuts" can cause a lot of damage.... look what 19 of them, with box cutters, did to the US on 9/11. So, yeah, right now at this moment, all hell is breaking loose in Iraq... it will not ALWAYS be like that! This is classical pinheaded static thinking again!!!
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Onceler said:
I remember that whole conversation. You did say such thing, and it was tremendously embarassing for you.

You won't admit it now, just as there were certainly no bullets whizzing above your head. You're pathological.
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Jarhead, everyone here knows you to be a liar and distorter of what others say, you have a very long track record of that. I don't need to prove anything to you, or anyone else here, and I really don't care whether you believe me or not, but I'll be damned if I let you get away with just outright lying about what I said.
 
Charlie Bass said:
As the only true conservative here, the Bass does not believe in getting involved in the foreign affairs of other countries.
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Well Charlie, you know, I don't like getting involved in the affairs of others either, but being a constitutional conservative who has studied massive amounts of American and World history, I am fully aware of what happens when we AVOID getting involved. I treasure American Exceptionalism, the Constitution, and our unique form of government. I believe it is the greatest and most beneficial governmental system in the history of mankind. Protecting that against enemies who would like to destroy it, or world domination by other alternative systems opposed to our own, is something that is very important to me. So, even though I share your opinion about not liking it, I also realize there are times when we must get involved in the affairs of others. If you really don't believe we ever should, maybe you should go pick up some history books and study the past, because people who don't realize mistakes of the past, are destined to repeat them in the future.
 
Dixie said:
Well Charlie, you know, I don't like getting involved in the affairs of others either, but being a constitutional conservative who has studied massive amounts of American and World history, I am fully aware of what happens when we AVOID getting involved. I treasure American Exceptionalism, the Constitution, and our unique form of government. I believe it is the greatest and most beneficial governmental system in the history of mankind. Protecting that against enemies who would like to destroy it, or world domination by other alternative systems opposed to our own, is something that is very important to me. So, even though I share your opinion about not liking it, I also realize there are times when we must get involved in the affairs of others. If you really don't believe we ever should, maybe you should go pick up some history books and study the past, because people who don't realize mistakes of the past, are destined to repeat them in the future.
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Your sappy affections are misguided. Loving a form of government is love misspent. You hate the american people, as you're willing to see them destroyed through globalization stupidity. Twould be better if you loved people instead of abstractions.
 
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Dixie, when America stays out of world affairs, we get to avoid some of the most pointless exercizes known to mankind, such as participating in WWI.
 
Threedee said:
Dixie, when America stays out of world affairs, we get to avoid some of the most pointless exercizes known to mankind, such as participating in WWI.
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If we hadn't gotten involved in ww1 then germany would have won. How is german victory a good thing.
 
Threedee said:
Dixie, when America stays out of world affairs, we get to avoid some of the most pointless exercizes known to mankind, such as participating in WWI.
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To tell you the truth, I kind of like what we have here better than goosestepping to Nazis or Fascists. I'm glad our ancestors fought WWI and WWII to be honest, and grateful for their sacrifices. It's real easy to have the hindsight of a jackass and pretend that everything would have been just the same if we hadn't gotten involved in war... but it's just not a realistic viewpoint to have, especially in the case of WWI and WWII.
 
Dixie said:
To tell you the truth, I kind of like what we have here better than goosestepping to Nazis or Fascists. I'm glad our ancestors fought WWI and WWII to be honest, and grateful for their sacrifices. It's real easy to have the hindsight of a jackass and pretend that everything would have been just the same if we hadn't gotten involved in war... but it's just not a realistic viewpoint to have, especially in the case of WWI and WWII.
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You lie!
 
hotdog said:
If we hadn't gotten involved in ww1 then germany would have won. How is german victory a good thing.
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Its the most productive country in Europe. That is, after Norway, Switzerland, Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the UK. :confused:
 
Dixie said:
To tell you the truth, I kind of like what we have here better than goosestepping to Nazis or Fascists. I'm glad our ancestors fought WWI and WWII to be honest, and grateful for their sacrifices. It's real easy to have the hindsight of a jackass and pretend that everything would have been just the same if we hadn't gotten involved in war... but it's just not a realistic viewpoint to have, especially in the case of WWI and WWII.
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Yeah. Instead youre in bed with globalists who destroy all nations from the inside, subjugating them to bankers and multinational corporations. Good for you.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Yeah. Instead youre in bed with globalists who destroy all nations from the inside, subjugating them to bankers and multinational corporations. Good for you.
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I like being subjugated by bankers and multinational corporations... they always seem to have plenty of wealth and pay very well. Better than being subjugated by, say, a tyrant dictatorial ruler who is an idiot and doesn't know how to provide the basic necessities to his people, or a socialistic government which doesn't even comprehend capitalism and free markets.

In the words of the great philosopher Bob Dylan... You got to serve somebody!
 
No said:
No, not really. Just as it was impossible for them to win WWII, it was impossible for them to win the first world war.
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It was certainly possible for them to win both WWI and WWII, had we not intervened. In fact, in the case of WWII, they had completely conquered Europe, with the exception of Italy and the UK, and they were next on the chopping block. The Germans had a juggernaut of a military force at the time, and we were actually very far behind them in terms of military technology, until we developed the nuke.

It is beyond "dumb and stupid" to say that it was impossible for them to win the wars... it is abject ignorance and abstract denial of reality. You should have your mental faculties checked at once!
 
Dixie said:
It was certainly possible for them to win both WWI and WWII, had we not intervened. In fact, in the case of WWII, they had completely conquered Europe, with the exception of Italy and the UK, and they were next on the chopping block. The Germans had a juggernaut of a military force at the time, and we were actually very far behind them in terms of military technology, until we developed the nuke.

It is beyond "dumb and stupid" to say that it was impossible for them to win the wars... it is abject ignorance and abstract denial of reality. You should have your mental faculties checked at once!
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From a purely historical perspective it was unlikely that Germany could have wholly conquered Europe, especially considering the fact that they were fighting a 2 front war without the US involved. That being said, it was not inherently impossible for Germany to have taken most of Europe for a period of time, but it would have been unsustainable. It certainly would have made the post war world be an entirely different place than it was, but I don't see Germany as having had a sustainable policy globally no matter what.

Surely the frogs were no "resistance". Shit I have 2Kohm resistors in my tool pouch that put up more force than the French army ever did. But Germany IMO, was never a threat to the US or world dominance long term.

Certainly they were able to wreak havoc and provide to be horribly tyrannical in their day. But their system was not one to conquer the world.

Its that context that the decision for war is based on. The war in Europe was not one of defense or retaliation as was the war in the Pacific. The war for the US was one of treaty and consequence in Europe.
 
Beefy said:
From a purely historical perspective it was unlikely that Germany could have wholly conquered Europe, especially considering the fact that they were fighting a 2 front war without the US involved. That being said, it was not inherently impossible for Germany to have taken most of Europe for a period of time, but it would have been unsustainable. It certainly would have made the post war world be an entirely different place than it was, but I don't see Germany as having had a sustainable policy globally no matter what.

Surely the frogs were no "resistance". Shit I have 2Kohm resistors in my tool pouch that put up more force than the French army ever did. But Germany IMO, was never a threat to the US or world dominance long term.

Certainly they were able to wreak havoc and provide to be horribly tyrannical in their day. But their system was not one to conquer the world.

Its that context that the decision for war is based on. The war in Europe was not one of defense or retaliation as was the war in the Pacific. The war for the US was one of treaty and consequence in Europe.
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You are as utterly clueless and aloof as the your idiot 'brother' up there.. Germany DID fucking occupy and control most of Europe for a while!!!! Even given our allying with Russia, we almost didn't defeat them! Ever hear of the Battle of the Bulge?

You two have been dunked in your propaganda koolaid vats too long! Where did you learn this stupidity???? It contradicts every account of history ever known to man!

This is just stunning! It's like some dickhead who was lost at sea for 6 months, being miraculously found, then making the statement he knew someone would find them eventually, or he would have found his way back, and everything would be just fine! I mean.... this is Homer Simpson kind of stupid right here! No, if we had not intervened, if we had even waited another 6 months, you'd all be speaking German right now, wearing little Hitler mustaches!
 
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