SNAP benefits cut!!! Musk gets a trillion dollars!

[T. A. Gardner]

As i pointed out prior, voters across the board want to keep their ObamaCare and while you replied that you do not care what people want, politicians who want to stay in power need to, as Magats learned prior with even the threat of cuts.

Irrelevant appeal to popularity.

So if only for self serving reasons the 'magats in power should then WANT TO provide something better, if it is as easy as you say'.

I have shown a better method, not that we'll ever see it implemented.

And no, car insurance will not prevent the type of medical bankruptcies i am speaking to not even close. and your view of 'letting the people who cause the accidents and their families just go bankrupt' is not one the voters want.

Now you're just being obstructionist with trivial objections.

So while you can say 'I Terry do not care and thus do not think Politicians should care', that is not how the world works. The majority of citizens want Obamacare or something better to replace it, and Politicians, by their very existence need to consider that because while the system is corrupted, citizen votes on how they want their tax dollars spend still do matter, at some level.

All you are offering are logical fallacies arguing for maintaining the status quo which clearly isn't working and is unaffordable.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Because they hate the president More than they love Americans...

That's pretty easy - since democrats hate Americans and America.

 

[LurchAddams]

Putting a bandaid on an amputation doesn't work.

I think you screwed up this metaphor. An "amputation" is the removal of a limb. Once a limb is amputated - I think they throw it away - so yeah - putting a band aid on an amputation "doesn't work" because there is no objective. An amputated limb, on its own does nothing.

A law, on the other hand can be amended or replaced. There is no incentive for Republicans to do that because their donors will never have to worry about wanting for anything.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Another example of this country in decline.

So this is a "lie and response" thing?

Jeri lies, you act like it's true and pontificate on how horrible it is.

Not one American citizen had SNAP benefits reduced - not a single one.

 

[Uncensored2008]

NAME THE BETTER WAYS


You never provide any

Hey Truthy, congratulations on staying out of jail for a whole week! With your bender last week I had my doubts - but you're still on the streets...

 

[LurchAddams]

Every penny that anyone spends on health insurance comes from pre tax dollars. Employers pay lower salary when offering 'free' or low cost insurance to employees.

Further, any compensation that employers offer via health insurance is NOT included in matching FICA contributions. In essence employers pay lower salary, save 8+% on FICA, and write off all policy costs.

There is no health insurance in the nation that is not subsidized.

If you have an HSA, yes. Not all medical insurance deductions are pre-tax.

 

[LurchAddams]

I typically find any direct contact with him to be a waste of keystrokes. This one is too easy to debunk, so I'll watch as he twists himself into knots attempting to deny that all health insurance is subsidized.

No, he's the last normal one left. He and Damo. Most of the time TA backs up what he says with sources, and I appreciate that he communicates in complete sentences.

The rest of the trumptard clan here is just a collection hate-filled, run on sentences. Try reading one of TobyOne's posts - you'll need a drink and a joint afterwards i guarantee it

 

[QP!]

Every penny that anyone spends on health insurance comes from pre tax dollars. Employers pay lower salary when offering 'free' or low cost insurance to employees.

Further, any compensation that employers offer via health insurance is NOT included in matching FICA contributions. In essence employers pay lower salary, save 8+% on FICA, and write off all policy costs.

There is no health insurance in the nation that is not subsidized.

And further more it costs corporations MORE and citizens more, when you have this total 'for profit' insurance model as opposed to the Federal gov't just using the same tax payer dollars, they have already taken in to create a National INsurance program.

There is one truism no one can escape and that is the bigger the insurance pool, the cheaper the insurance is across the board for all, during their lifetime'.

Canada has the 'insurance part' right but made the mistake of extending in to the care delivery service part, which gov'ts should stay out of, beyond basic regulations.

The reason why corporations like providing the Insurance, despite the higher costs, is because it gives them a massive lever of control of employees that corporations in countries with government insurance do not have. It makes it so much harder to quit US companies and move unless you can find a similar or better plan.

 

[QP!]

Irrelevant appeal to popularity.


I have shown a better method, not that we'll ever see it implemented.


Now you're just being obstructionist with trivial objections.

All you are offering are logical fallacies arguing for maintaining the status quo which clearly isn't working and is unaffordable.

You continually saying 'what voters want their tax dollar spend on' is 'irrelevant and an appeal to popularity', is the biggest example of why you are too stupid to have a serious discussion with.

How the most tax payers want their tax dollars used is absolutely based on popularity and nothing could be more relevant in a system where the people who get the most votes get to set the rules.

You could arguing 'ignore all citizens and what they want, as just my singular view matters', is so stupid it almost beyond words.

 

[QP!]

No, he's the last normal one left. He and Damo. Most of the time TA backs up what he says with sources, and I appreciate that he communicates in complete sentences.

The rest of the trumptard clan here is just a collection hate-filled, run on sentences. Try reading one of TobyOne's posts - you'll need a drink and a joint afterwards i guarantee it

Terry does try to defend his posts, which is different than a lot of trolls here.

it is just he is so locked in his cult it leads him to say things like 'no healthcare and no insurance is better than obamacare and that all citizens should be ignored if they disagree with him and want it as that is an appeal to popularity'. He honestly thinks 'you ignore the masses who paid the taxes as using their tax dollars as they want is just feeding 'popularity', and instead 'he, as a singular person should be the one listened to'. It is because his position is not the 'popular' one that he thinks makes him right. He is laughably stupid.

 

[QP!]

^ it also lead Terry to say he dismisses AI and Google search generated info, and that doing 'manual searches'isbetter.

That is not because he believes it and is so he can hand wave away the great breath of data and citations and instead jus stick to the magat media sources he pulls from while dismissing anything else.

 

[Into the Night]

Why are the dems denying the needy their food?

'Leverage'. In other words, the needy are just pawns to the Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

Even TACO admits the voters are blaming the Trumplicans.

Food doesn't blame anyone. Food is not sentient.

 

[Into the Night]

And further more it costs corporations MORE and citizens more, when you have this total 'for profit' insurance model as opposed to the Federal gov't just using the same tax payer dollars, they have already taken in to create a National INsurance program.

There is one truism no one can escape and that is the bigger the insurance pool, the cheaper the insurance is across the board for all, during their lifetime'.

Canada has the 'insurance part' right but made the mistake of extending in to the care delivery service part, which gov'ts should stay out of, beyond basic regulations.

The reason why corporations like providing the Insurance, despite the higher costs, is because it gives them a massive lever of control of employees that corporations in countries with government insurance do not have. It makes it so much harder to quit US companies and move unless you can find a similar or better plan.

Communism never works, Kewpie.
Canada's medical system is EXPENSIVE!!
And what do you get for that?? Poor to non-existent medical care.

It's why Canadians BUY private insurance and even go to the United States to get health care.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

@T. A. Gardner argues a nihilist position.

He pushes a view that Obamacare should be entirely cancelled and insurance should not exist.

he has no answer, as to why if Obamacare is so obvious terrible that in 10+ years the GOP and magats now have not been able to offer to swap it out with anything better to accrue political benefit.

When i pointed out medical bankruptcies would soar, his reply was 'so what'.

Few in the MC and certainly almost no one at the lower MC or below would be able to avoid bankruptcy with a single serious car accident that required emergency room care and beyond. Cancers, etc, families all bankrupt.

His only answer to me raising that was 'politicians do not give a shit about citizens going bankrupt', as if that somehow means citizens should then not care, also.

They are soul-less ghouls whose life motto is "I got mine. Fuck the rest of you." I'm sure as a veteran, Gardner is more than happy to take advantage of Tricare, supplied by us taxpayers. But damned if he wants anyone else to have health care.

There is another aspect to the ACA that would cause even more disaster if removed -- the prohibition against canceling/refusing to insure those with pre-existing conditions. Had a skin cancer removed? Nice, but no more insurance for you. Had a chest pain episode that was checked out by a cardiac cath? Bye-bye, insurance, you're too high risk. Had a couple of weekend athlete injuries that needed treatment? Nope, you're too risky too. Got a kid in college with asthma? Off your insurance plan she goes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I find that a good number of his own citations directly contradict the point he is trying to make. He neither reads nor comprehends the references he posts. He’ll then double down on stupid by continually referencing the same source.

An indication of irrational thinking on his part. He used to be rational compared to some MAGAts who were damaged or defective before showing up to JPP. IMO, that indicates elderly cognitive issues or mental illness.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

^ it also lead Terry to say he dismisses AI and Google search generated info, and that doing 'manual searches'isbetter.

That is not because he believes it and is so he can hand wave away the great breath of data and citations and instead jus stick to the magat media sources he pulls from while dismissing anything else.

Remember how most MAGAts expressed disdain for Wiki then used it to back their own arguments? LOL

Just like Wiki, AI is fine, but the references should be checked. Also, Critical Thinking should be employed in reading what is said and not only seeing what one wants to see as most MAGAts are guilty of doing. Either that or they are just flat-out lying.

 

[QP!]

They are soul-less ghouls whose life motto is "I got mine. Fuck the rest of you." I'm sure as a veteran, Gardner is more than happy to take advantage of Tricare, supplied by us taxpayers. But damned if he wants anyone else to have health care.

There is another aspect to the ACA that would cause even more disaster if removed -- the prohibition against canceling/refusing to insure those with pre-existing conditions. Had a skin cancer removed? Nice, but no more insurance for you. Had a chest pain episode that was checked out by a cardiac cath? Bye-bye, insurance, you're too high risk. Had a couple of weekend athlete injuries that needed treatment? Nope, you're too risky too. Got a kid in college with asthma? Off your insurance plan she goes.

the absolute core of Terry's position is that saying because citizens speak out and let the politicians know how they want the tax dollars prioritized and spend on their behalf, that equals an appeal to populism and therefore somehow that makes it wrong and to be ignored.

he is correct that is an appeal to populism. But as i have told him prior he simply does not understand the fallacies he tries to use and he applies them wrong.

In the instances when politicians are trying to assess spending priorities, for tax payer dollars, what the citizens actual want (populism) when it crosses partisan considerations and is almost universal should be arguably, the top thing politicians consider.

The entire 'taxation without representation' that started a war, was citizens fighting back against their tax dollars not representing their views, wants and desires.

Terry does not understand this and so just says 'appeal to populism' thinking it won him the point and it does not.

 

[QP!]

Remember how most MAGAts expressed disdain for Wiki then used it to back their own arguments? LOL

Just like Wiki, AI is fine, but the references should be checked. Also, Critical Thinking should be employed in reading what is said and not only seeing what one wants to see as most MAGAts are guilty of doing. Either that or they are just flat-out lying.

No. Probably before i joined.

And ya, as i said, AI or Google without citations and fact checks is not worth much but with those things is immensely valuable.

There is nothing Terry will see in a manual search of going to Online sites and doing manual searches that Ai and google will not also find. They also find a ton more, including things that may go against what you believe (why Terry wants to ignore them) and since they find it quicker it gives the person more time to fact check.

In no way is manual search better and i do not believe Terry believes that. It is a lie he told so he can ignore Ai searches that conflict with what he says and just say 'Ai BS... i am not reading that', as he does.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No. Probably before i joined.

And ya, as i said, AI or Google without citations and fact checks is not worth much but with those things is immensely valuable.

There is nothing Terry will see in a manual search of going to Online sites and doing manual searches that Ai and google will not also find. They also find a ton more, including things that may go against what you believe (why Terry wants to ignore them) and since they find it quicker it gives the person more time to fact check.

In no way is manual search better and i do not believe Terry believes that. It is a lie he told so he can ignore Ai searches that conflict with what he says and just say 'Ai BS... i am not reading that', as he does.

The bottom line, after observing thousands of posts on JPP, is that extremists, particularly MAGAts, only see what they want to see. It's irrational behavior on their part.