You claimed that there is a mandatory service requirement in the bill that the president signed. There isn't. That's lying.
If you oppose the bill for other reasons feel free to state them instead of opposing the bill for what is not in it.
slipping mandatory service under the radar?
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You claimed that there is a mandatory service requirement in the bill that the president signed. There isn't. That's lying.
If you oppose the bill for other reasons feel free to state them instead of opposing the bill for what is not in it.
WOW! Stellar response...no, no really
I have worked closely with local school boards and principles for years. I know how irresistible extra dollars are to them and how new programs pop-up overnight that are all of a sudden critical to a well rounded education!
Well, if you read the actual text of the bill you would see that local school boards can obtain federal funds without making service mandatory.
As I said, you're full of shit.
No, you are full of shit! I did read the text.
And you back up your assertion with text from the bill and everything. You're a craft one.
I made no such claim. I stated that in the bill it said that they will work towards it and posted the portion of the bill that stated so from the original link.
Quit being so deliberately obtuse. I asked for information and you gave it and I thank you for that. But it barely makes this poop sandwich legislation more palatable. I prefer not to eat poop, even if it no longer has the peanuts in it.
C
Cancel5
Guest
A little service for the country, you bet! A little service for the community, you bet!
Based Chad
Was it me?
But mandatory?
It;s Hitler Youth. There is absolutely no difference, but instead of being taught to hate jews, they will be taught to hate conservatives and energy usage.
And in the final bill that provision was removed. What is your problem with the bill without the language that you had a problem with?
Again, the problem I have is with the original intent which will continue to be the goal of those who wrote the legislation.
Are you seriously this short-sighted that you can maintain that this bill will never change towards the original intent of those who wrote it?
What is your malfunction? I guarantee if such a "service" bill were created by Bush you would have dumped all over it here. The only difference is I'd be dumping on it too. I'm supposed to lap up whatever they put forward because you like it, regardless of the intent or goals?
Rubbish.
Thorn
Member
Well, I don't know about that second part, but I agree that it would be a huge mistake to make this mandatory.
I've volunteered in a few settings, and sometimes we've had college students who gained course credits (!!!) for putting in X number of hours "volunteering" with the organization. A few were okay, but too many others were, frankly, more trouble than they were worth. They weren't interested in the goals (wildlife rehabilitation was one; Humane Society adoptions were another; Food Bank programs were a third) of the organization, just getting credit for whatever hours they were responsible for putting in. Often they didn't show up at all, or were late, or showed up but did nothing, or worked overtly reluctantly when asked. Then at the end of their time they'd be asking how they could fill in all the rest of the hours they needed to pass, and we didn't have enough hours left for them. Hmmm, sounds eerily like when I taught an applied Research Methods course!
The truly voluntary volunteers, of whom I was one, had to pick up the slack left by these people. Their attitudes were poor and this was reflected in the tasks they performed (or didn't). This seeped into the quality of our interactions with the people or animals we were trying to help. Frankly, we'd have been better off with fewer volunteers who wanted to be there; those others just got in the way. Clearly they were not enriched by the experience, and certainly neither were we!
These service bills have been enacted for decades and decades now and I think they are great. I haven't checked, but I assume that a similar bill was passed by Republicans during the Bush years and I assume that I opposed that bill on the grounds that it included funds for religious institutions without ensuring that such funds would not be used for proselytizing activities.
I oppose mandatory service. I support volunteerism and federal support for volunteerism. The bill is all about the latter and not at all about the former.
Disliking this bill because of what is not in it is stupid.
CHECK THIS OUT:
All of that language is now gone. To be clear, the original bill didn't call for a mandatory public service program, but called for the exploration of whether one could be established. But the entire section on creating a "Congressional Commission on Civic Service" was stripped from the bill.
It is now a part of a separate piece of legislation, introduced on March 11 (two days after H.R. 1388 was introduced) by Democratic Rep. Jim McDermott. H.R. 1444 was referred to a House committee. No other action has been taken on the bill. McDermott introduced a similar bill in 2007 and it died, never making it out of a subcommittee
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1444ih.txt.pdf
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
I prefer not to eat poop, even if it no longer has the peanuts in it.
Damn, he can be funny.
Damn, he can be funny.
Translation: ugh. Me can't think past today. ugh. Me can't see what another wants if they write it down then I read it, then they erase it. Me can't see that there may still be a pencil in their hand... ugh. Now me call somebody else stupid so that nobody notice.
That's my point. The guy can't even recognize that the part they removed doesn't need to be there. It was directly what they want, it is what they aim for, and I don't believe that they wanted us to see it directly associated to the bill. I'm supposed to be unable to think past the eraser and unable to associate any other legislation or time to this bill.
They want it to be required so badly, that they can almost taste the power of new voters if they can just get their claws in early enough.
In short, I noticed that the peanuts are now served on the side.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Indeed. But that would be above board, can't have that. It will happen, there is no doubt. I'm *this* close to joining AHZ.