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Why is our trade deficit a problem? Trump tries to sell it like it is. What do you feel will change with a more even balance?

You sound just like Trump and Bernie Sanders in your trade talk.

I'll repost the 538 article again. I've never said we'll have no manufacturing here but it is like 10% of jobs today. Even if Trump does what he claims, which he won't, it will still only rise to around 11%. There's not going to be a great manufacturing job renaissance in this country.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-never-coming-back/

=___= i swear its like talking to a rock. There is a quote best fit for you "cannot see the forest for the trees"

Any "expert" who claims bringing back an factory that is 100% automated (meaning no new jobs at the manufacturing point) is not worth it needs to be fired.
 
=___= i swear its like talking to a rock. There is a quote best fit for you "cannot see the forest for the trees"

Any "expert" who claims bringing back an factory that is 100% automated (meaning no new jobs at the manufacturing point) is not worth it needs to be fired.

What I said is talking to a rock? Show me my numbers on manufacturing are wrong. Explain why you think the trade deficit number is so important. Tell us what's wrong with the 538 article
 
What I said is talking to a rock? Show me my numbers on manufacturing are wrong. Explain why you think the trade deficit number is so important. Tell us what's wrong with the 538 article

the fact that your still asking me to is the talking to a rock part.
 
=___= i swear its like talking to a rock. There is a quote best fit for you "cannot see the forest for the trees"

Any "expert" who claims bringing back an factory that is 100% automated (meaning no new jobs at the manufacturing point) is not worth it needs to be fired.

I get what you're saying: even the automatons need built---and maintained.

Those are 'this century' manufacturing jobs that require blue collar skills. When the automated burger flipper goes down, the owner won't call the IT department but a skilled worker with a set of tools.

Those will be good jobs.
 
That doesn't answer the question of your economic theory you say should make companies want to manufacture here again. Why aren't they doing it if you say it's in their best interests to do so?
Why? A stable political system, great economic markets, oceans of skilled and professional labor. Reliable and extensive infrastructure, proximaty you to natural resources and exten
 
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That doesn't answer the question of your economic theory you say should make companies want to manufacture here again. Why aren't they doing it if you say it's in their best interests to do so?
Why? A stable political system, great economic markets, oceans of skilled and professional labor. Reliable and extensive infrastructure, proximity to natural resources and extensive transportation, R&D and educational resources, etc, etc.

You need to do your research on manufacturing. You may not see OEM's of small consumer items or consumer electronics coming back because of high labor cost and low margins but manufacturing is doing just fine in this nation in big ticket items like autos, aircraft, shipbuilding, automation, heavy equipment, primary materials (iron, steel, aluminum, copper, glass, ceramics, cement).

These industries make products with large margins and where labor needs have decreased due to advances in technology they are gained downstream by the vast logistic and supply networks and service partners.

Like I said you need to visit one of these modern manufacturing facilities and see how thing have changed from regional integrated operations that were largely self sufficient but costly to operate to modern manufacturing with it smaller specialized plants that produce more but are not integrated but rely on large and sophisticated supply chains with exquisitely timed logistics systems that provide only what you need, when you needed. No more do you see a vast amount of a manufacturers capital locked up in inventory which results in greater cash flow which means more opportunity to invest capital productively instead of it sitting in a warehouse.

Your view on American manufacturing is not informed and is a self fulfilling prophecy for decline.
 
But the workers will go wherever the manufacturing jobs pop up. Even if it means leaving CA.

Because of liberal policies, CA would be Detroit were it not for the fact it's California lol. I don't understand why they keep voting democratic.
Then why are the States with the highest manufacturing output Democratic States? That's just nonsense Darth.
 
Why? A stable political system, great economic markets, oceans of skilled and professional labor. Reliable and extensive infrastructure, proximity to natural resources and extensive transportation, R&D and educational resources, etc, etc.

You need to do your research on manufacturing. You may not see OEM's of small consumer items or consumer electronics coming back because of high labor cost and low margins but manufacturing is doing just fine in this nation in big ticket items like autos, aircraft, shipbuilding, automation, heavy equipment, primary materials (iron, steel, aluminum, copper, glass, ceramics, cement).

These industries make products with large margins and where labor needs have decreased due to advances in technology they are gained downstream by the vast logistic and supply networks and service partners.

Like I said you need to visit one of these modern manufacturing facilities and see how thing have changed from regional integrated operations that were largely self sufficient but costly to operate to modern manufacturing with it smaller specialized plants that produce more but are not integrated but rely on large and sophisticated supply chains with exquisitely timed logistics systems that provide only what you need, when you needed. No more do you see a vast amount of a manufacturers capital locked up in inventory which results in greater cash flow which means more opportunity to invest capital productively instead of it sitting in a warehouse.

Your view on American manufacturing is not informed and is a self fulfilling prophecy for decline.

I'm aware of the changes in manufacturing. Trump is talking about bringing back steal making jobs and jobs making Nike sneakers. He's not talking about manufacturing jobs of the future. The 1960's heavy industry jobs Trump is talking about are gone.
 
What I said is talking to a rock? Show me my numbers on manufacturing are wrong. Explain why you think the trade deficit number is so important. Tell us what's wrong with the 538 article
Because he's right about you missing the forest because of the trees. The data is in the 538 Article you cited and you missed its significance.

Manufacturing productivity grew by 20% but manufacturing jobs only increased by 5%. You're so focused on the latter figure that you've sublimated the fact that a 20% increase in U.S. manufacturing output is no small thing. That represents capital circulating that is going both upstream and down stream creating jobs, prosperity and economic opportunity along the way. Technology may have replaced some of the workers needed in manufacturing but productive capital is still being put into circulation. This is a good thing.
 
I'm aware of the changes in manufacturing. Trump is talking about bringing back steal making jobs and jobs making Nike sneakers. He's not talking about manufacturing jobs of the future. The 1960's heavy industry jobs Trump is talking about are gone.
Steel making has never left Wacko. You simply are wrong. We make more steel then we ever have. We're just doing it with less of a foot print. Heavy industry has never left.
 
Why? A stable political system, great economic markets, oceans of skilled and professional labor. Reliable and extensive infrastructure, proximity to natural resources and extensive transportation, R&D and educational resources, etc, etc.

You need to do your research on manufacturing. You may not see OEM's of small consumer items or consumer electronics coming back because of high labor cost and low margins but manufacturing is doing just fine in this nation in big ticket items like autos, aircraft, shipbuilding, automation, heavy equipment, primary materials (iron, steel, aluminum, copper, glass, ceramics, cement).

These industries make products with large margins and where labor needs have decreased due to advances in technology they are gained downstream by the vast logistic and supply networks and service partners.

Like I said you need to visit one of these modern manufacturing facilities and see how thing have changed from regional integrated operations that were largely self sufficient but costly to operate to modern manufacturing with it smaller specialized plants that produce more but are not integrated but rely on large and sophisticated supply chains with exquisitely timed logistics systems that provide only what you need, when you needed. No more do you see a vast amount of a manufacturers capital locked up in inventory which results in greater cash flow which means more opportunity to invest capital productively instead of it sitting in a warehouse.

Your view on American manufacturing is not informed and is a self fulfilling prophecy for decline.

personally I think the number 1 draw to manufacture in the US should be preferential access to the US market. I believe that credit cards will kill us but we are still the only country with such widespread access to credit that the buying power of the average person is multiplied. of course the raw material production would follow as you want to site your raw materials close to your production centers.
 
Because he's right about you missing the forest because of the trees. The data is in the 538 Article you cited and you missed its significance.

Manufacturing productivity grew by 20% but manufacturing jobs only increased by 5%. You're so focused on the latter figure that you've sublimated the fact that a 20% increase in U.S. manufacturing output is no small thing. That represents capital circulating that is going both upstream and down stream creating jobs, prosperity and economic opportunity along the way. Technology may have replaced some of the workers needed in manufacturing but productive capital is still being put into circulation. This is a good thing.

So numbers showing manufacturing jobs are only 10% of our current jobs are wrong? And studies that show if Trump's claims were to come true manufacturing jobs would only be 11% are wrong?

Tell us again why you support Hillary?
 
Steel making has never left Wacko. You simply are wrong. We make more steel then we ever have. We're just doing it with less of a foot print. Heavy industry has never left.

Ok, so the rust belt cities that are dying are just our imagination? When they say manufacturing was 25% and higher percent of jobs in 1970 and is 10% today is just wrong?
 
Ok, so the rust belt cities that are dying are just our imagination? When they say manufacturing was 25% and higher percent of jobs in 1970 and is 10% today is just wrong?
Again, your glommed onto jobs and not productivity or the economic impact of manufacturing. No segment of industry has as large a multiplier affect as manufacturing does and if you look at output numbers they don't match the decline in jobs numbers nor are you looking at the downstream and upstream impact, including non manufacturing jobs.

We are probably never goin to return to the days where 25% of the people work in manufacturing but manufacturing is not going away and you paint a false picture about manufacturing when you base your argument on the numbers of people employed as oppossed to manufracturing output and its overall economic impact.
 
Again, your glommed onto jobs and not productivity or the economic impact of manufacturing. No segment of industry has as large a multiplier affect as manufacturing does and if you look at output numbers they don't match the decline in jobs numbers nor are you looking at the downstream and upstream impact, including non manufacturing jobs.

We are probably never goin to return to the days where 25% of the people work in manufacturing but manufacturing is not going away and you paint a false picture about manufacturing when you base your argument on the numbers of people employed as oppossed to manufracturing output and its overall economic impact.

What do you think Trump's whole campaign has been about? Manufacturing jobs. When have you once heard him talk about productivity?
 
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