Silicon Valley

[cawacko]

I've spent this week working in a tech firm's office in Silicon Valley. First off I'm old. Second F off Millenials. First thing they asked me when I came into the office is if I play Pokeman. G*d d*mmit!

We often hear about a lack of diversity in Silicon Valley. This is a smaller start up with between 45-50 people. There are two black people here. About 15 white people. And the rest are Asian, Indian and others. Now this is just one firm so I can't speak for the rest of the Valley.

From a political perspective I was trying to think of Trump's speech from their perspective. Murder and crime isn't any worse in the Bay Area than it has been over the past decade so law and order isn't a pressing issue. This is an area of innovation so anti-trade rhetoric and anti-immigration doesn't hit home here. Bringing back manufacturing jobs isn't happening here.

Now I know Trump wasn't trying to appeal to these type of folks but if the Republican Party wants to survive going forward it will not survive in its current form as these Millenials grow and vote in greater numbers.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

I would totally be playing Pokeman Go if I were in my 20's. That would be so up my alley. I am kinda sad I'm too old, I would look ridiculous. It makes me laugh thinking about it!

Yeah Trump isn't getting the techies. I have clients who sound very similar, right here in the big apple, which has a very nice little tech boom going thank you very much.

They're not trump people.

 

[cawacko]

I would totally be playing Pokeman Go if I were in my 20's. That would be so up my alley. I am kinda sad I'm too old, I would look ridiculous. It makes me laugh thinking about it!

Yeah Trump isn't getting the techies. I have clients who sound very similar, right here in the big apple, which has a very nice little tech boom going thank you very much.

They're not trump people.

Austin thinks they are catching up us. Y'all are but a blip in the Valley's radar! Haha. I kid.

The fact that we basically have a no development policy in the Bay Area is hurting us in terms of the cost to live and do business here (hence the appeal of places like Austin.) I can't imagine NYC being all that less.

 

[cawacko]

I would totally be playing Pokeman Go if I were in my 20's. That would be so up my alley. I am kinda sad I'm too old, I would look ridiculous. It makes me laugh thinking about it!

Yeah Trump isn't getting the techies. I have clients who sound very similar, right here in the big apple, which has a very nice little tech boom going thank you very much.

They're not trump people.

People don't come into this office talking about sports in the morning it's all about Pokeman.

 

[tsuke]

id imagine silicon valley is a higher income area where the diversity you get are from cherry picked programmers who have been imported to dream jobs they dare not lose as opposed to random illegal aliens yes?

Silicon valley is a direct benificiary of globalism. Id expect the area to vote 100% democrat and its not representative of anwhere else.

 

[Phantasmal]

I would totally be playing Pokeman Go if I were in my 20's. That would be so up my alley. I am kinda sad I'm too old, I would look ridiculous. It makes me laugh thinking about it!

Yeah Trump isn't getting the techies. I have clients who sound very similar, right here in the big apple, which has a very nice little tech boom going thank you very much.

They're not trump people.

I play with my grands! It looks better that way, lol

 

[cawacko]

id imagine silicon valley is a higher income area where the diversity you get are from cherry picked programmers who have been imported to dream jobs they dare not lose as opposed to random illegal aliens yes?

Silicon valley is a direct benificiary of globalism. Id expect the area to vote 100% democrat and its not representative of anwhere else.

It's home of great American engineuty and entrepreneurialism. Do nationalists find that a bad thing? Should our VC's stop funding tech firms? Should we cut off all immigration so brilliant people from around the world don't come here to start companies and disrupt industries?

 

[tsuke]

It's home of great American engineuty and entrepreneurialism. Do nationalists find that a bad thing? Should our VC's stop funding tech firms? Should we cut off all immigration so brilliant people from around the world don't come here to start companies and disrupt industries?

no but the immigration that happened there is not representative of the rest of the country.

I would also prefer they hire american first.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Now I know Trump wasn't trying to appeal to these type of folks but if the Republican Party wants to survive going forward it will not survive in its current form as these Millenials grow and vote in greater numbers.

This type of environment isn't much different than a typical university town. Get out in the real world, where people work outside and with their hands, and it's all different.

 

[cawacko]

This type of environment isn't much different than a typical university town. Get out in the real world, where people work outside and with their hands, and it's all different.

That will never go away of course but as more and more of these Millenials grow up in a tech driven world a lot fewer will know the prior American life of working in factories etc.

 

[leaningright]

I play with my grands! It looks better that way, lol

Drove my boy (13) around the little town about 30 miles from here today so he could walk in and hit the Pokemon stops. They made a downtown event out of this. He hates to exercise. I'm loving it. When I say, "let's go for a walk" there's no groaning anymore. Just, "can I use your phone?" (I know, I'm a terrible dad as I haven't allowed him to have a smart phone yet...but that's another discussion.)

 

[leaningright]

It's home of great American engineuty and entrepreneurialism. Do nationalists find that a bad thing? Should our VC's stop funding tech firms? Should we cut off all immigration so brilliant people from around the world don't come here to start companies and disrupt industries?

I'm far from a Trump supporter but to be fair, despite his rhetoric, he did say this in his acceptance speech:

"Lastly, and very importantly, we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time as proven vetting mechanisms have been put in place."

And this:

"I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people."

And then he followed up that with some statements which I would have left out but I do understand he was throwing a lot of red meat into the pen.

But I can't say I disagree with the quoted above. I would love for there to be a better vetting process for folks from compromised nations. I don't think it would keep the people you have been working with out nor is it really a call to stop all immigration, IMO.

Also we have had the manufacturing jobs discussion before. I am not ready to give up on manufacturing jobs being in communities throughout the US. I don't know what Trump thinks he can do but I hope and pray that something can be done. People who are not good in STEM areas or good with tech or coding need good paying jobs too. We don't make anything in this country anymore. I remember that as soon as Bill signed the republican approved NAFTA the only two factories in our county seat laid off their people, closed their doors and moved to Mexico. The people here suffered. For this reason I sort of agree with tsuke in that I would prefer that American companies hire Americans first. I absolutely disagree with any NAFTA type of deal. I see cities like Bowling Green, KY doing very well and growing largely because GM continues to keep the Corvette plant there. Why can't other cities and communities enjoy the same opportunity for prosperity?

I just don't think Trump is as extreme on this as many want us to believe. And I think it'll take more than just softening on this to reach most 20 somethings.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I've spent this week working in a tech firm's office in Silicon Valley. First off I'm old. Second F off Millenials. First thing they asked me when I came into the office is if I play Pokeman. G*d d*mmit!

We often hear about a lack of diversity in Silicon Valley. This is a smaller start up with between 45-50 people. There are two black people here. About 15 white people. And the rest are Asian, Indian and others. Now this is just one firm so I can't speak for the rest of the Valley.

From a political perspective I was trying to think of Trump's speech from their perspective. Murder and crime isn't any worse in the Bay Area than it has been over the past decade so law and order isn't a pressing issue. This is an area of innovation so anti-trade rhetoric and anti-immigration doesn't hit home here. Bringing back manufacturing jobs isn't happening here.

Now I know Trump wasn't trying to appeal to these type of folks but if the Republican Party wants to survive going forward it will not survive in its current form as these Millenials grow and vote in greater numbers.

That's right!

Keep in mind. As important as silicon valley is the whole world doesn't revolve around it.

Besides, you're not thinking outside the box. Who's says opposing our current trade agreements make you "anti-trade" or that it is inevitable that manufacturing will decline in the U.S. Both of those point of views are pessimistic at worst and fatalistic at best.

I'm very much pro-trade but I'd rather see the producers earning more than the traders. I'm pro trade. I think we should do a lot more off it. Our trade imbalance is ridiculous and needs to be corrected. That doesn't make me "anti-trade". That makes me focused on solving a very serious problem affecting our economy. We have agreements that are lopsided and trade partners who consistently cheat, manipulate their currencies and have gained advantages against us in trade that we are afraid to correct out of fear of creating a trade war.

Nor is manufacturing a bygone notion of a romanticized period. That's just a load of shit from people who've never made anything. MADE IN THE U.S.A. is still one of the benchmarks around the world for top quality products. There are practical solutions to revitalize American manufacturing and create both industrial and service sector jobs to support manufacturing but they will not be implemented if we don't have the political will.

So spare me the inevitable fatalism about manufacturing. The problem with investment bankers race to the bottom is eventually they do hit bottom. It is not a healthy economy when the vast majority of those who benefit from it are a handful of traders, bankers and venture capitalist. It's not a sustainable business cycles. SOMEONE HAS TO PRODUCE!

 

[tsuke]

That's right!

Keep in mind. As important as silicon valley is the whole world doesn't revolve around it.

Besides, you're not thinking outside the box. Who's says opposing our current trade agreements make you "anti-trade" or that it is inevitable that manufacturing will decline in the U.S. Both of those point of views are pessimistic at worst and fatalistic at best.

I'm very much pro-trade but I'd rather see the producers earning more than the traders. I'm pro trade. I think we should do a lot more off it. Our trade imbalance is ridiculous and needs to be corrected. That doesn't make me "anti-trade". That makes me focused on solving a very serious problem affecting our economy. We have agreements that are lopsided and trade partners who consistently cheat, manipulate their currencies and have gained advantages against us in trade that we are afraid to correct out of fear of creating a trade war.

Nor is manufacturing a bygone notion of a romanticized period. That's just a load of shit from people who've never made anything. MADE IN THE U.S.A. is still one of the benchmarks around the world for top quality products. There are practical solutions to revitalize American manufacturing and create both industrial and service sector jobs to support manufacturing but they will not be implemented if we don't have the political will.

So spare me the inevitable fatalism about manufacturing. The problem with investment bankers race to the bottom is eventually they do hit bottom. It is not a healthy economy when the vast majority of those who benefit from it are a handful of traders, bankers and venture capitalist. It's not a sustainable business cycles. SOMEONE HAS TO PRODUCE!

what people also forget is that if you manufacture here your most likely source of raw material is also here. Your risk assessment and supply chain management to build an effective just in time chain from one continent to another would be too great if you were to still source in China. So your already generating jobs producing plastic, silver, gold, or whatever raw materials are necessary.

You also use the transport system in the country to move around the raw materials from point A to point b as opposed to only using the transport system for the finished product, which generates jobs for truckers etc.

Even in a fully automated factory you still have white collar , sanation and security, and people who keep the machines fed. Which of course the local community needs to build a service community around as well.

None of this happen because you outsource everything. There is a concept called "backward linkages" in economics and it is a powerful tool to build up economics. I have argued this to cawacko in the past and others and have not seen a single person try and argue against it. All these things are for FULLY AUTOMATED FACTORIES. Things just get better if they actually employ people which they will because not even the best factory is fully automated so far.

 

[cancel2 2022]

I would totally be playing Pokeman Go if I were in my 20's. That would be so up my alley. I am kinda sad I'm too old, I would look ridiculous. It makes me laugh thinking about it!

Yeah Trump isn't getting the techies. I have clients who sound very similar, right here in the big apple, which has a very nice little tech boom going thank you very much.

They're not trump people.

I've heard that there is a Pokémon called Suckee Fuckee, maybe you could ask one of your clients?

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[Bill]

I've heard that there is a Pokémon called Suckee Fuckee, maybe you could ask one of your clients?

Sent from my LENOVO Lenovo K50-t5 Using Ez Forum for Android

Isn't it fuckee suckee?? & that is old, it's 'LOVE YOU LONG TIME" now....

 

[cawacko]

what people also forget is that if you manufacture here your most likely source of raw material is also here. Your risk assessment and supply chain management to build an effective just in time chain from one continent to another would be too great if you were to still source in China. So your already generating jobs producing plastic, silver, gold, or whatever raw materials are necessary.

You also use the transport system in the country to move around the raw materials from point A to point b as opposed to only using the transport system for the finished product, which generates jobs for truckers etc.

Even in a fully automated factory you still have white collar , sanation and security, and people who keep the machines fed. Which of course the local community needs to build a service community around as well.

None of this happen because you outsource everything. There is a concept called "backward linkages" in economics and it is a powerful tool to build up economics. I have argued this to cawacko in the past and others and have not seen a single person try and argue against it. All these things are for FULLY AUTOMATED FACTORIES. Things just get better if they actually employ people which they will because not even the best factory is fully automated so far.

I am not familiar with backward linkages. If what you write is so great and powerful why have U.S. businesses done what they've done? Have their moves toward automation and offshoring not taken this into account? Are they acting against their best economic interests? Is there millions of dollars waiting for you to teach corporations this technique?

 

[Darth Omar]

id imagine silicon valley is a higher income area where the diversity you get are from cherry picked programmers who have been imported to dream jobs they dare not lose as opposed to random illegal aliens yes?

Silicon valley is a direct benificiary of globalism. Id expect the area to vote 100% democrat and its not representative of anwhere else.

Silicon Valley is an oasis in a desert. CA generally, is beset by insane immigrantion policy, sanctuary cities and migrant workers who would benefit from a return of *at least some* manufacturing jobs.

I can see how Trump might appeal to them.

 

[cawacko]

Silicon Valley is an oasis in a desert. CA generally, is beset by insane immigrantion policy, sanctuary cities and migrant workers who would benefit from a return of *at least some* manufacturing jobs.

I can see how Trump might appeal to them.

There's limited old school manufacturing here because of environmental laws. The Bay Area and LA are not going Trump. The Central Valley is about farming, not manufacturing. San Diego is bio tech driven.

Trump will have the same appeal here all other republicans do and that's none.

 

[tsuke]

I am not familiar with backward linkages. If what you write is so great and powerful why have U.S. businesses done what they've done? Have their moves toward automation and offshoring not taken this into account? Are they acting against their best economic interests? Is there millions of dollars waiting for you to teach corporations this technique?

no they are acting for their economic interests. US companies could care less about the prosperity of the US. They care about their own personal prosperity. And yes they do do this.

Apple: has resource facilities in china instead of here

Trump: Trump water, Trump magazine, Trump wine, all these things are not designed to be sold to the public. They are designed to be sold to his businesses ( a hotel consumes gallons of mineral water I imagine and your magazine just has to have some content) so that he gets the profit not anyone else. (i.e. production inputs like natural resources being inside the country)

other companies do it too. Companies will always look to thier own profits first. Theoretically it is up to the govt to make it look out for the country first.

Edit: I just reread your post. >.< Seriously man read what I put. Since they are in china then china gets the benefits of these backward linkages. I feel like I am wasting my time with you here.