Shrubbie and Maineman

NOVA said:
maineman says... "I sincerely and honestly hope that we don't get involved in Syria. That's a fact."

and then came the ifs and buts.....the fact is, if we do get 'involved' in the Syrian civil war or rebellion, it will be our own doing....our own choice...our own fault.
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Thing1 said:
You're really the flip side of the coin, bravs. You have no irony meter.
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I point out the fact that IF we get involved in a war in Syria....it will be because we made that choice.....and maineman is supporting Obama on this threat.

Wheres is the irony you mention ?....the flip side of what coin ?....
 
so you want to pretend that when other dictators use chem weapons on their own people to retain control they will FEAR us coming after them after we walk away from Syria having done nothing?
 
evince said:
Its YOU being the partisan not me
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The fuck are you talking about? I don't even have a party shrubbie? What length will you go to? I'm curious, is there a finish line to your party-before-anything-else mentality? Jesus Christ, you're a fucking hawk now?
 
Obama's speech yesterday felt like deja vu - it reminded me so much of some of the rationales Bush was putting out there for Iraq.

I almost expected him to say that Assad was the guy who "went after his dad..."
 
I have to sign off now. Shrubbie, I am hugely disappointed. If I knew you in person I would probably be hurt. I don't know what to say. You've been tricked. And as a result, your efforts will contribute to human beings dying. Think about that.
 
Beefy said:
Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo.... War is a horrible nightmare. I just cant believe who is beating the drums. I'm totally dumbfounded. Politics really goes this deep on all sides? Shit, the Republicans don't even bother trying to hide it and now I'm seeing the yellowest of dogs looking towards it. I'm totally floored.
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What does this have to do with Republicans; liberals have no shame when it comes to ignorance and hypocrisy.

Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo were the result of despotic dictators trying to take over the world you putz. AmeriKa was the good guy trying to free Europe from a despotic megalomaniac if you don't remember.

I'm amused when naive Liberals in their child like views of the world rant about peace; what despot, tyrant, dictator or terrorist ever gave a shit about peace. Whining about AmeriKas war mongering is about as moronic as complaining about the mess you made shitting your liberal pants trying to have a coherent thought.
 
evince said:
war built on lies is BAD


Bombs to stop the use of chemical weapons is GOOD
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Bombs don't stop the use of chemical weapons brain dead Liberal. Please provide a single shred of evidence to support your incredible nonsense. When did bombs stop the use of chemical weapons; I'll wait.
 
Beefy said:
I guess you want a war. I never thought Id see the day. And yes, I opposed the Iraq bullshit too. I just cant believe you are willing to go into and cheerleading YET ANOTHER UNNECESSARY WAR!
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I am certainly not cheerleading anything. The community of nations said, a long long time ago, that using chemical weapons was a red line. They did so for a reason. It was a good reason. It was a civilized and humane reason.
 
Truth Detector said:
Bombs don't stop the use of chemical weapons brain dead Liberal. Please provide a single shred of evidence to support your incredible nonsense. When did bombs stop the use of chemical weapons; I'll wait.
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because they are a lot harder to kill people with when you have to hand deliver them
 
maineman said:
I am certainly not cheerleading anything. The community of nations said, a long long time ago, that using chemical weapons was a red line. They did so for a reason. It was a good reason. It was a civilized and humane reason.
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Then let the community of nations get off their asses and do something.

We aren't world police.
 
maineman said:
beefy... I sincerely and honestly hope that we don't get involved in Syria. That's a fact. If, however, Ronald Reagan had said, in March of 1988, that Iraq had crossed a red line by using chemical weapons against the Kurds, I would have backed his play. If we tacitly condone the use of weapons the world had earlier decided we would not condone, then we take a huge step backward as humanity. I don't know how we stop Assad from using them, but I truly believe that the world needs to step up, together, and stop it. I do not think it makes any sense to go it alone if the world won't go with us, but for Obama to ask the world to stick to their treaties and stop the use of these weapons, I think that is a good thing to do.
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Good summary, MM. War is horrible. Death is horrible. But - the world has said "chemical weapons are evil and banned".

I agree the 100,000 plus people killed by "conventional" weapons are also to be mourned. But the world hasn't banned conventional weapons; we have - all the countries, pretty much - banned chemical weapons.

Are we now to say "oops, we didn't mean it?" Then what happens re Iran and nuclear weapons?

I don't want to get involved in Syria either. And it's possible now we won't - it's possible now that our threats not only got Assad to admit he had the weapons, but maybe will give the world a way to get those weapons out of Syria, or at least under international control. Assad is pretty good at killing his people in other ways, so guess he won't miss them. But NO ONE wants those weapons to get into the hands of a bunch of rival factions, which could happen if Assad loses.

If we do bomb Syria, I can only hope we do it strategically - that it doesn't cause further repercussions -that we don't kill too many civilians - that it doesn't pull us in further.

Syria is an open wound in the world. I wish we could stop the fighting and somehow fix it. We can't. But maybe we can keep these chemical weapons from being used by either side. It's not much. But it's something.

And yes, Darla - all weapons are horrible; all deaths are to be mourned; but again - the world, in various treaties, have said that chemical weapons are even worse - probably because of the damage they cause to civilians and the way they can't be targeted. So do we follow the treaties or do we give up? And if we give up - does that mean we give up totally and all countries can have nuclear weapons as well?

I know that's outside the scope of this thread, so I'm ok with us not discussing that last point.
 
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