Should we quit supporting the war now ? The destruction is near total.

moon said:
Entire cities smashed to rubble. No infrastucture left undamaged , most destroyed completely. Deep winter approaching along with starvation and disease.




Should we quit pouring billions of dollars worth of arms into this war now , having invested so much treasure to date ? Haven't we wasted enough blood and treasure on Israel already ?

https://caat.org.uk/homepage/stop-arming-saudi-arabia/the-war-on-yemens-civilians/


Yeah. THAT war.
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No! Biden and the NATO allies need to give Ukraine offense weaponry, as in long range rockets for Ukraine's M142 HIMARS and

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M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems?!! With longer range rockets, the can hit Crimea and inside Russia too?!!
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Cypress said:
No, that's not what you predicted.

You confidently proclaimed that all of Ukraine would be totally overrun, and you agreed with Earl that the entire country of Ukraine would be annexed back into the Russian Federation
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In my thread " how the situation in Ukraine should end" the first thing I said was Russia would end up gaining territory. As you know,...or at least should know,.....war is fluid. What is true today may not be true tomorrow. Whether it took 1 month or two years is irrelevant. It will end as I said.......Russia will gain a little territory but much of Ukraine will be in rubble and the death toll will be terrible. THAT is reality.
 
Stone said:
In my thread " how the situation in Ukraine should end" the first thing I said was Russia would end up gaining territory. As you know,...or at least should know,.....war is fluid. What is true today may not be true tomorrow. Whether it took 1 month or two years is irrelevant. It will end as I said.......Russia will gain a little territory but much of Ukraine will be in rubble and the death toll will be terrible. THAT is reality.
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You also predicted a huge red wave in the mid-terms, right? And that Trump would win in a landslide in 2020?
 
BartenderElite said:
You also predicted a huge red wave in the mid-terms, right? And that Trump would win in a landslide in 2020?
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Is Russia in Rubble or Ukraine? BTW......most of those same MSM talking heads that you love and trust so much predicted the same.
 
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Then you assholes act like I am pulling for Russia or something just because Im being real. I could give a shit less about Russia or Putin. Ukraine either for that matter. Massive amounts of weapons systems sent, billions and billions of dollars spent all to end up in the same place it was always going to end up in. But with more destruction and death. Not smart,...not smart at all. In fact you guys should get your chickenhawk asses over there and fight. But you wont. All talk no action. Grab your gear and head on over,....im sure they would love to have you.
 
Stone said:
Then you assholes act like I am pulling for Russia or something just because Im being real. I could give a shit less about Russia or Putin. Ukraine either for that matter. Massive amounts of weapons systems sent, billions and billions of dollars spent all to end up in the same place it was always going to end up in. But with more destruction and death. Not smart,...not smart at all. In fact you guys should get your chickenhawk asses over there and fight. But you wont. All talk no action. Grab your gear and head on over,....im sure they would love to have you.
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No one has advocated putting our own troops in harm's way. But we're doing what we can to help an independent country remain independent. It's a just cause - and it's also keeping a country that COULD be a threat from annexing more territory and getting more ambitious ideas.

Kinda like France did for us in the Revolution. But the French actually did put some of their soldiers in harm's way. No one here is recommending that for the U.S. I'm glad we're doing what we can. You said the other day that people are all just people, right? Why wouldn't you want to help the beleaguered Ukrainians in this way? Why would you want to abandon them to tyranny?
 
BartenderElite said:
No one has advocated putting our own troops in harm's way. But we're doing what we can to help an independent country remain independent. It's a just cause - and it's also keeping a country that COULD be a threat from annexing more territory and getting more ambitious ideas.

Kinda like France did for us in the Revolution. But the French actually did put some of their soldiers in harm's way. No one here is recommending that for the U.S. I'm glad we're doing what we can. You said the other day that people are all just people, right? Why wouldn't you want to help the beleaguered Ukrainians in this way? Why would you want to abandon them to tyranny?
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I wanted us to help them by brokering a LEGIT peace deal. Key word being LEGIT. Not just talk and fluff. We wanted this mess and we got it. Now the American people will pay the price thru our wallets and the poor Ukrainians will pay with their own blood. I blame you cheerleader FUCKING idiots for every last bit of it. Didnt have to be this way. I cant wait to see you LIARS slam on the brakes and do a total 180 when China invades Taiwan. You will all take the exact opposite stance you are now. Thats what Liars do.
 
Stone said:
I wanted us to help them by brokering a LEGIT peace deal. Key word being LEGIT. Not just talk and fluff. We wanted this mess and we got it. Now the American people will pay the price thru our wallets and the poor Ukrainians will pay with their own blood. I blame you cheerleader FUCKING idiots for every last bit of it. Didnt have to be this way. I cant wait to see you LIARS slam on the brakes and do a total 180 when China invades Taiwan. You will all take the exact opposite stance you are now. Thats what Liars do.
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I haven't lied about anything. Though, you lie here quite often.

Putin's idea of peace until very recently was give us dominion over your entire country, and we'll pull most of our troops out.
 
BartenderElite said:
It should be noted that you supported Putin in the Griner situation, also. You probably weren't even glad to see her freed.
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You can note any fucking thing you want. Grab your gear boy and get to Ukraine. Talk talk talk with ZERO follow thru.
 
BartenderElite said:
I haven't lied about anything. Though, you lie here quite often.

Putin's idea of peace until very recently was give us dominion over your entire country, and we'll pull most of our troops out.
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It will end how I and anyone with a fucking brain said it would end. No doubt. Now...talk to someone else about it. You are boring me Chickenhawk.
 
Stone said:
It will end how I and anyone with a fucking brain said it would end. No doubt. Now...talk to someone else about it. You are boring me Chickenhawk.
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I'm just challenging your positions. That's what happens on this board.

Posters who have strong positions can usually respond well.
 
Hoorayyyyyyy........We spent billions of dollars and all we got was this t shirt and a giant rubble pile filled with frozen dead bodies and rats. Winning...:palm:
 
BartenderElite said:
And yet the people are still fighting w/ everything they've got.

What does that tell you?
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It tells me they got fucked over and now have no choice. They stupidly believed NATO was coming when they NEVER were. The MIC made out like a bandit though....
 
Stone said:
It tells me they got fucked over and now have no choice. They stupidly believed NATO was coming when they NEVER were. The MIC made out like a bandit though....
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Doesn't sound like you're familiar w/ the situation there.

They're fighting their hearts out because they want to remain free & independent. We've seen that before in history.
 
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