Should we borrow from other cultures?

[Dutch Uncle]

If success at being a melting pot was your goal, congratulations.
Quality of life would have been my first priority.

I've stopped trying to understand true believers.

Isn't that the point of a good melting pot, neef? Take the best of everything to make life better for all of us?

What is your definition of a "true believer"?

It's a good movie, BTW: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098524/ Free on Tubi

 

[NiftyNiblick]

What is your definition of a "true believer"?

I define a "true believer"
as somebody who begins with the conclusion
that America has to be the greatest nation in the history of the planet

and then works backwards from that predetermined conclusion
to configuring a theory that will arrive there.

"Taking the best of everything
and making life better for all of us"
has resulted in our not being in the top ten

in standard of living,
healthcare,
and education.

However, since these conclusions
are arrived at by the consensus of multiple global studies
rather than by purely American opinions,

I would tend to give them more weight
than would a "true believer."

That's as well as I can explain it,
but none of it will be convincing
to a true believer.

I regretfully accept that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I define a "true believer"
as somebody who begins with the conclusion
that America has to be the greatest nation in the history of the planet

and then works backwards from that predetermined conclusion
to configuring a theory that will arrive there.

"Taking the best of everything
and making life better for all of us"
has resulted in our not being in the top ten

in standard of living,
healthcare,
and education.

However, since these conclusions
are arrived at by the consensus of multiple global studies
rather than by purely American opinions,

I would tend to give them more weight
than would a "true believer."

That's as well as I can explain it,
but none of it will be convincing
to a true believer.

I regretfully accept that.

IMO, such people are committing a logic error.

Melting Pot is an ideology, not necessarily the results. Native and African Americans can legitimately claim that the results were not optimal.

 

[Cypress]

Civil wars and revolutions are individual events.

I speak of citizens not liking one another.

Compared to homogeneous nations,
we don't have the solidarity to do as much collectively as they do.

The level of hatred that existed between Russians during their civil war, between Chinese during their civil war would have shocked an American to his core. It's not the kind of hatred that only lasted for 24 months. That hatred extended well into the years of the Gulag and the Cultural revolution. Ukrainians hate Russians with a passion even though their language, culture, shared history is virtually identical.

 

[ExpressLane]

If success at being a melting pot was your goal, congratulations.
Quality of life would have been my first priority.

I've stopped trying to understand true believers.

Notice Dutch uses a white chick in his melting pot meme.

 

[ExpressLane]

^^^^^^^^

Guano who has more resources Big Government or Trump?

 

[Phantasmal]

As America's demographics continue to change your kind will be left behind

He should leave, he really hates this country. I suggest Somalia.

 

[Jarod]

Cultural appropriation is the bogeyman of our time. Let’s celebrate the joy of cross-pollination

In many milieus, it is now widely accepted that decent people should avoid committing anything that might in any way be seen as a form of appropriation. One reason for this is that some cases of so-called cultural appropriation do amount to real injustices. It was, for example, immoral for White musicians in the US to steal the songs of Black artists who were barred from big careers because of racial discrimination, or for collectors in the UK to loot art from the country’s former colonies. But does the concept of cultural appropriation actually help to express what is wrong in such cases?


https://www.theguardian.com/comment...orrow-from-other-cultures-of-course-we-should

I am all for certain types of cultural appropriation. I love to learn from other cultures and incorporate the good things into my life.

I do not like when people lampoon other cultures.

 

[Cypress]

I am all for certain types of cultural appropriation. I love to learn from other cultures and incorporate the good things into my life.

I do not like when people lampoon other cultures.

Cultural appropriation is one of those buzz words like Woke that nobody really knows what it means.

If it means enjoying Indian food, owning Navajo dream catchers, and purchasing Turkish carpets, that's been going on for decades long before anyone invented the buzzword "cultural appropriation".

 

[Cypress]

Neither China nor Russia are homogenous. They both have a broad array of diverse cultures within them.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I said largely homogenous. Not universally homogenous. The native indigenous populations of Siberia, the Caucuses, the Russian Far East are fairly insignificant compared to the European Slavic population of Russia. For the most part, it was the European Slavs killing each other in the Russian civil war.


Compared to Brazil, United States, or Canada, China is relatively homogenous but has a three thousand year history of internal war, revolution, civil war, chaos.

Any American citizen would be shocked to their core if they could somehow bear witness to the violence and cruelty that persisted and flared up throughout Chinese history

 

[BidenPresident]

Cultural appropriation is one of those buzz words like Woke that nobody really knows what it means.

If it means enjoying Indian food, owning Navajo dream catchers, and purchasing Turkish carpets, that's been going on for decades long before anyone invented the buzzword "cultural appropriation".

No, cultural appropriation is a very real concept. Artists have been talking about it for years.

 

[Phantasmal]

No, cultural appropriation is a very real concept. Artists have been talking about it for years.

Not only artist but cultures whose sacred objects and ceremonial dresses have been disrespected using them for Halloween costumes or in other disrespectful ways.

 

[Cypress]

No, cultural appropriation is a very real concept. Artists have been talking about it for years.

I never heard the word, or heard any of my friends use it prior to about 2012.

 

[Cypress]

Not only artist but cultures whose sacred objects and ceremonial dresses have been disrespected using them for Halloween costumes or in other disrespectful ways.

The Washington Redskins was over the line.

 

[BidenPresident]

Not only artist but cultures whose sacred objects and ceremonial dresses have been disrespected using them for Halloween costumes or in other disrespectful ways.

Works both ways. Picasso made sculptures and paintings imitating African art.

 

[BidenPresident]

I never heard the word, or heard any of my friends use it prior to about 2012.

I see. Your friends are professional artists?

 

[Phantasmal]

The Washington Redskins was over the line.

I always hated to see headdresses used for Halloween customs.

 

[Cypress]

I always hated to see headdresses used for Halloween customs.

I never saw anyone I know wear that, but it sounds pretty stupid.

Reducing the American Indian to headdresses, tomahawks, teepees, and warrior culture really is a caricature which doesn't do justice to the civilizations they created in North America prior to European contact.

 

[Cypress]

I see. Your friends are professional artists?

No.
professional artists comprise, what, 0.001 percent of the population?
. According to the advanced search function, the earliest use of the buzzword cultural appropriation on this board was in 2014, and virtually all posts using that buzzword occurred after 2016 or 2018.

 

[BidenPresident]

No.
professional artists comprise, what, 0.001 percent of the population?
. According to the advanced search function, the earliest use of the buzzword cultural appropriation on this board was in 2014, and virtually all posts using that buzzword occurred after 2016 or 2018.

tired of your ignorance