Should transgender teachers be able to use the student bathroom of their choice???

Darla said:
Well let me tell you something STY, most women know that the danger posed to them in public spaces, including rest rooms, comes from biological men. I'm sure over the years you've seen news reports about some perv caught with a planted camera in a ladies room right? Who were the perpetrators? Biological men. I've yet to see one confirmed report of anyone being assaulted by a transgender person in a rest room, do you know of one?

I have however seen lots of confirmed news reports of trans people being assaulted, including sexually, and also, unfortunately, murdered.

When you lift up the smoke screens and the fear of the other, what are the facts? Who really is at risk? And at risk from whom? When we start dealing with things rationally we often, in fact usually, discover the truth is very very different than the alarmism coming from certain quarters.
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Transgendered men (women?) are biological men.
 
Darla said:
Asking me to "refute" idiocy like "gender identity is delusional thought" is like asking me to refute one of our KKK posters claims that black people have low IQ's. Educated people, and really all normal people with any intelligence and any class, simply laugh at this nonsense. You're a spectacle in normal society. Please proceed Governor.
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on the face of if..it's delusional..i would think it falls under abnormal psychology. Gender dysphoria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Classification_as_a_disorder

I haven't updated my psyche courses since....1980. It looks like it's no longer considered a "disorder" - but like everything else in psyche the
classifications shift with time/research, and societal norms.


None of which is pure racism like "black people have lower IQ's"- you need to learn differentiation between psychology
and lies by racists.
 
Darla said:
I have no idea what this means. What constitutes the anonymous false authority? What is "the issue"? Is it heterosexual male anxiety?
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you cite zero sources, simply relying on the anonymous authority of having read numerous blah blah blah, while also claiming the false authority of never having ONCE read about a transgender assaulting anyone ever.

the ISSUE is your propensity for ignoring even the possibility that something could happen........but then should it happen, you'll do the typical lib response of blaming everyone and everything except yourself for allowing the possibility to exist.
 
NOVA said:
How about Rachel Dolezal -- stepping down as head of the Spokane NAACP chapter over criticism that she's portrayed herself as black, even though she was born white -- stood by that self-assessment Tuesday, insisting, "I identify as black."

Talking on CNN, her mother Ruthanne Dolezal went so far as to characterize her daughter as "irrational and very disconnected from reality," while her father, Larry, said her actions aren't those of "a normal sane person."

Even her parents see that she is less than sane....you have a mental illness if you can't accept what race you are.....
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I swear; I could listen to him for hours.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you cite zero sources, simply relying on the anonymous authority of having read numerous blah blah blah, while also claiming the false authority of never having ONCE read about a transgender assaulting anyone ever.

the ISSUE is your propensity for ignoring even the possibility that something could happen........but then should it happen, you'll do the typical lib response of blaming everyone and everything except yourself for allowing the possibility to exist.
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I haven't heard of any assaults by trans people in rest rooms, and asked if you have and if so if you can point me to them. I mean, a simple "no I haven't either" would have sufficed.
 
SmarterthanFew said:
only in the supremely retarded progressive mindset does ignoring the possibility for criminal violence in mixed gender bathrooms seem appropriate, while at the same time nearly pissing their panties because people who carry guns MIGHT snap and start shooting. total progressive idiocy.
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You really can't help yourself, can you, Threeper Desh?

I expect you;ll find a way to work "cops" into this discussion next. :palm:
 
Darla said:
I haven't heard of any assaults by trans people in rest rooms, and asked if you have and if so if you can point me to them. I mean, a simple "no I haven't either" would have sufficed.
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once again, you're IGNORING the fact that the possibility exists. just because you haven't heard of one, does it mean then that it will never occur? and if it does, will YOU accept responsibility for having created the situation?
 
Milagro said:
Of course it would never occur to the PC zealots that some biological men might just dress up as women to gain access to female toilets.
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also locker rooms, and it's going to happen..
That's a very real danger of sexual predators taking advantage of situational access.
They can get access much more easily, because no one could challenge their presence.


Society has an interest in privacy and security, and my argument is far outweighs any "damage " done to gender identity trans
who have to use Current sex facilities.

Of course the Obama administration uses the full force of civil rights to bludgeon states into their pov.
It's not civil rights - not at all like discrimination by race, sex, creed. It's a psychological impediment, if not abnormality.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
once again, you're IGNORING the fact that the possibility exists. just because you haven't heard of one, does it mean then that it will never occur? and if it does, will YOU accept responsibility for having created the situation?
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Oh is this the transgender 1% doctrine?

I see,well in that case yes the possibility exists. The possibility exists that I could kill someone today. By mistake or otherwise. The possibility exists that Tom could have an epiphany and renounce rape. The possibility exists that we could have an actual space invasion next month.

What do you want a minority report situation? And for whom? Let me guess, not white male amnosexuals.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
once again, you're IGNORING the fact that the possibility exists. just because you haven't heard of one, does it mean then that it will never occur? and if it does, will YOU accept responsibility for having created the situation?
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I guess the question is this: is the fear real...is it based on anything at all? Or is it just another level of paranoia, that really has its roots in something many don't really understand?

I think this is a pretty complex issue, and the answers aren't black & white. But I also don't think transgender is a mental disorder. I think there are people who are born & genuinely feel like they were born into the wrong gender. And I can't even begin to imagine that.

I think we need to be careful in how we explore these questions - not in a pc way, but in a way that doesn't assume that because people are born that way, they have a greater proclivity toward criminal behavior. Which is why I'm asking what your basis is for that.
 
anatta said:
also locker rooms, and it's going to happen..
That's a very real danger of sexual predators taking advantage of situational access.
They can get access much more easily, because no one could challenge their presence.


Society has an interest in privacy and security, and my argument is far outweighs any "damage " done to gender identity trans
who have to use Current sex facilities.

Of course the Obama administration uses the full force of civil rights to bludgeon states into their pov.
It's not civil rights - not at all like discrimination by race, sex, creed. It's a psychological impediment, if not abnormality.
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You really believe this bullshit don't you? As if men can't sneak into locker rooms and bathrooms now. I'm actually flabbergasted. I guess I thought I was done being amazed at the bedtime horror stories you people tell yourselves to keep the fear ramped.
 
Darla said:
Indeed. This says it all.
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disengenous. you are not an honest person to debate.
Classification by abnormality or not doesn't change the administrative law that this is an inherent civil right.

Psych treatments are not legal definitions, only guideline for clinicians
 
SmarterthanYou said:
once again, you're IGNORING the fact that the possibility exists. just because you haven't heard of one, does it mean then that it will never occur? and if it does, will YOU accept responsibility for having created the situation?
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I'd also turn this question for you & your own support for open carry & those kinds of measures. Because I can guarantee you that if most people carried a gun, more people will die. Would you take responsibility for creating that situation?
 
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