Should the South claim Autonomy from the North?

Emperor Septimius Severus said:
States can tax however they like.
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Then all these republicans that are complaining about having to pay taxes to feed the poor(welfare programs) can just go to their state representatives and stop paying their taxes?LOL!!!!!!!


Yeah, the states agreed to that. It's the Constitution, in the 1st and 14th Amendments.
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I have a feeling that the CONSTITUTION is interpreted differently by the two parties.

Got me there.
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There are many more examples.


States can and do determine their own healthcare laws. Hawaii, MA, etc. And again, states can tax however they like.
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Then why are the republicans so against the Obama health care if their states don't have to implement them? Maybe we will just allow the pro democratic states to implement them?

Sorry but its not that simple.

Then according to you there is abunch of hoopla going on and tax payers dollars is being wasted in the Supreme court for nothing. Correct? :)
 
SmarterThanYou said:
by autonomy, i'm assuming you're referring to the ability to nullify whatever federal laws they don't believe apply to them?
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By Autonomy, I'm referring to the ability to implement the entire ideology of the republican party and not have the democrats be able to impose their will/ideology on them.

I would imagine certain federal functions that benefit both would remain.
 
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If the south separates, nuke them into oblivion. If the south is too weak to impose its will on others, it shouldn't expect us to bow to it as well.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
we only need to get rid of a couple dozen metropolitan areas......then there would be no reason for the South to leave....

for example, let's make Detroit a separate nation.....
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We need to destroy the rural areas that pillage the producing metropolitan areas of this nation. I call on us to get rid of all social parasites. To the strongest, go the benefit.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Buy Autonomy, I'm referring to the ability to implement the entire ideology of the republican party and not have the democrats be able to impose their will/ideology on them.

I would imagine certain federal functions that benefit both would remain.
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this is what i'm talking about when i say you're a moron. tell us, genius, if a texas republican decides that his autonomy allows him to not pay federal taxes, what do you think is going to happen?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
this is what i'm talking about when i say you're a moron. tell us, genius, if a texas republican decides that his autonomy allows him to not pay federal taxes, what do you think is going to happen?
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There are a few scenarios. 1) As long as they handle themselves the reason that the taxes are being collected(Infrastructure maintenance, taking care of the poor, ect...?) The north will have no legitimate excuse to do anything.

The bigger problem is not paying their fair share of the deficit. They would have to take along with them some of the national debt. Then there would be no real jurisdiction the federal government can ask them to pay taxes now can they?

If that were to happen, what do YOU think the North would do to the Southern Republican Union(not only Texas).
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm not sure who this is directed at. Do you think the north would attack the south if the south claimed autonomy? You think the North can drum up support for that in today's age?
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the South claiming autonomy is a waste of time.....why withdraw from the US when it's easier to chuck the liberals out of it?......
 
wiseones2cents said:
There is a very big divide in America in regards to the North Democrats vs the South Republicans.

Why dont the southerns claim Autonomy? Not separation but autonomy(self rule).

They can apply their Republican Principles and the democrats can supply their Democratic principles and in the end, we will see who has the better system.

Right now democracy is about imposing their will upon the other. When democrats win they try to impose their will, and when Repubs win they try to impose their will(even more so) over the democrats.

Why not separate the ideologies? Its not like if the south were to try to separate today, the north would go to war with them. They would never get away with it.

They can even fly their confederate flag with Texas being the capital state.

What are your thoughts. Would this work. Why or why not.
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Cause it's not a north/south divide. It's mostly an urban/rural divide. Even in the south the metropolitan areas are predominantly democratic. The rural county I was raised in here in Ohio is far more reactionary then most southern metro areas. Hell the county I'm from was one of only 4 counties in the entire state (all rural, in the west part of the state and predominantly Catholic) that voted to support Ohio Senate Bill #5.

This is a fallacy that the political paradigm is either a conservative/liberal or northern/southern divide. It is a rural/urban divide with most independents/swing voters living in suburbia.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the South claiming autonomy is a waste of time.....why withdraw from the US when it's easier to chuck the liberals out of it?......
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Un the democrats outnumber the republicans. Maybe they will chuck you out.lol

I think Autonomy is the ONLY alternative to end the bickering and the trillions of tax payers dollars on foolish debates/court challenges.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Cause it's not a north/south divide. It's mostly an urban/rural divide. Even in the south the metropolitan areas are democratic. The rural country I was raised in here in Ohio is far more reactionary then most southern metro areas. Hell the county I'm from one of only 4 counties in the entire state (all rural, in the west part of the state and predominantly Catholic) that voted to support Ohio Senate Bill #5.

This is a fallacy that the political paradigm is either a conservative/liberal or northern/southern divide. It is a rural/urban divide with most independents/swing voters living in suburbia.
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Then you dont agree that the majority of those in the Bible belt are Republican and conservatives? We Have Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas, Mississipi, Alabama, Georgia, S. Carolina, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah,ect... Have been traditionally conservative stomping grounds.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Then you dont agree that the majority of those in the Bible belt are Republican and conservatives? We Have Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas, Mississipi, Alabama, Georgia, S. Carolina, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah,ect... Have been traditionally conservative stomping grounds.
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chicago and southern dallas are much the same, politically. They are both heavily liberal, and the only reason that the gop still dominates there is that voting restrictions are still enforced.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Then you dont agree that the majority of those in the Bible belt are Republican and conservatives? We Have Texas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Kansas, Mississipi, Alabama, Georgia, S. Carolina, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah,ect... Have been traditionally conservative stomping grounds.
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In the rural areas. Sure small town and rural southern areas are strongly conservative but you are talking about areas where more of the population lives in small towns then in large urban regions. I've lived in the south. Charlotte is faaaaar more liberal then the rest of North Carolina. Houston is faaaaar more liberal then the rest of Texas and Coldwater, Ohio is faaaaaar more conservative then metropolitan Ohio.

Disabuse yourself of this fantasy. Look at the electoral maps. The rural midwest, Iowa, Nebraska, North/South Dakota, Kansas, etc are as coservative or more conservative then many southern States. Look at the electoral maps. Where do most Democratic voters come from? They come from the NE megalopolis, The southern Califonia and Bay area megalopolis and from the Great Lakes megalopolises and from the Piedmont megoloplis region. Where do most Republican votes come from? They come? They come from the rural/small town areas of this nation. Hell in 2004 Cincinnati was the only metropolitican region in the nation where the majority of people voted for Bush.
 
wiseones2cents said:
There is a very big divide in America in regards to the North Democrats vs the South Republicans.

Why dont the southerns claim Autonomy? Not separation but autonomy(self rule).

They can apply their Republican Principles and the democrats can supply their Democratic principles and in the end, we will see who has the better system.

Right now democracy is about imposing their will upon the other. When democrats win they try to impose their will, and when Repubs win they try to impose their will(even more so) over the democrats.

Why not separate the ideologies? Its not like if the south were to try to separate today, the north would go to war with them. They would never get away with it.

They can even fly their confederate flag with Texas being the capital state.

What are your thoughts. Would this work. Why or why not.
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A better idea would be to force the federal government to abide by its Constitutional limitations. That way the various states could provide all the services that their residents desired. Massachusetts and California would have cradle-to-grave health care and 16 weeks vacation and the Southern States would have none of that.
 
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