Should people face consequences for appearing at President Trump's January 6 rally...

[Dutch Uncle]

....even if they never went to the Capitol? That's the question on Smerconish's survey question this morning: https://www.smerconish.com/home

I put no, but as his show proved, people who posted their presence at the rally on social media are finding themselves suspended or released from their jobs.

While I believe it's up to employers to determine the fitness of their employees to continue employment, some states or types of jobs require some due process over pure whimsy.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

If they didn't cross the police/security barricades, but simply went to see #LOSER45's screech, then no. But everyone who crossed the barricades? Absolutely.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If they didn't cross the police/security barricades, but simply went to see #LOSER45's screech, then no. But everyone who crossed the barricades? Absolutely.

Agreed 100%. I put 'No" on Smerconish's survey, but expected the options on the JPP poll to more clearly define the differences.

Does anyone know someone who went and is now under indictment?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Most of the far Right JPP members are 99% bullshit. They talk big but never attend political protests or risk their lives or their jobs by attending a protest.

Smarter Than You (STY) was my #1 pick for going and, subsequently, most likely to be on the run from the FBI for sedition, trespassing, assault on police, etc, etc, etc.

He was here on the 10th, but his last post was on the 8th:

For years, morons like you have always had to assume that i'm a right wing racist because your idiot brain pans are incapable of deciphering anything different........like it's not possible. it's a wonder why you try to explain science when you can't explain anything other than left and right.

enjoy your delusional fantasies...........

Any other Far Righties who have become very quiet after the Capitol Insurrection?

 

[Ross Dolan]

The Owl Woman up above said:

"If they didn't cross the police/security barricades, but simply went to see #LOSER45's screech, then no. But everyone who crossed the barricades? Absolutely."

I agree totally with that.

I would add that anyone who hung back but who encouraged others to cross barricades (very tough to prove) should also face consequences.

This was insurrection. Most insurrectionists throughout the world would be handled with a lot less deference than will the people who engaged, no matter how marginally, in this one.

 

[Phantasmal]

....even if they never went to the Capitol? That's the question on Smerconish's survey question this morning: https://www.smerconish.com/home

I put no, but as his show proved, people who posted their presence at the rally on social media are finding themselves suspended or released from their jobs.

While I believe it's up to employers to determine the fitness of their employees to continue employment, some states or types of jobs require some due process over pure whimsy.

I believe that those who remained on the Capitol property after the violence started need to be arrested. They apparently approved of the violent actions of others.

 

[CASPER]

....even if they never went to the Capitol? That's the question on Smerconish's survey question this morning: https://www.smerconish.com/home

I put no, but as his show proved, people who posted their presence at the rally on social media are finding themselves suspended or released from their jobs.

While I believe it's up to employers to determine the fitness of their employees to continue employment, some states or types of jobs require some due process over pure whimsy.

Depends on several circumstances.
For those that went in the Capital, yes they should all be charged, that is a no brainer.
Those outside are different, for those that actually were fighting with the cops and those that tried entering but were driven back, yes they should also be charged.
Those that were outside that did not try entering the Capital and did not actively participate in the riot, no they should not be charged.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I believe that those who remained on the Capitol property after the violence started need to be arrested. They apparently approved of the violent actions of others.

Agreed. At least their actions should be investigated. There were violent people outside the Capitol. Anyone who pushed through a barricade is guilty of trespassing.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Depends on several circumstances.
For those that went in the Capital, yes they should all be charged, that is a no brainer.
Those outside are different, for those that actually were fighting with the cops and those that tried entering but were driven back, yes they should also be charged.
Those that were outside that did not try entering the Capital and did not actively participate in the riot, no they should not be charged.

Agreed on the different circumstances. It draws a clear line between peaceful protest and violent/criminal protest.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Owl Woman up above said:

"If they didn't cross the police/security barricades, but simply went to see #LOSER45's screech, then no. But everyone who crossed the barricades? Absolutely."

I agree totally with that.

I would add that anyone who hung back but who encouraged others to cross barricades (very tough to prove) should also face consequences.

This was insurrection. Most insurrectionists throughout the world would be handled with a lot less deference than will the people who engaged, no matter how marginally, in this one.

Agreed. Good point about agitators, even if they never broke a barrier; they are guilty of inciting insurrection.....which covers everyone on the speaker's dais at Trump's rally.

 

[Grokmaster]

 

[Grokmaster]

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO OPPOSE THE REGIME!!!!!!!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

 

[Dutch Uncle]

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO OPPOSE THE REGIME!!!!!!!

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

....even if they never went to the Capitol? That's the question on Smerconish's survey question this morning: https://www.smerconish.com/home

I put no, but as his show proved, people who posted their presence at the rally on social media are finding themselves suspended or released from their jobs.

While I believe it's up to employers to determine the fitness of their employees to continue employment, some states or types of jobs require some due process over pure whimsy.

You work at the pleasure of your employer. I'm not surprised that some are losing jobs over simply showing up. If you have a liberal employer and they find out that a worker has bought into the whole 'stop the steal' nonsense, and believed it so strongly that they went to DC, then I could see some people losing jobs simply over that. Especially if they might have been on shaky ground prior to that. Or depending on the nature of the business and the clientele.

It could be a really bad image for a business to be associated with 'stop the steal.'

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello CASPER,

Depends on several circumstances.
For those that went in the Capital, yes they should all be charged, that is a no brainer.
Those outside are different, for those that actually were fighting with the cops and those that tried entering but were driven back, yes they should also be charged.
Those that were outside that did not try entering the Capital and did not actively participate in the riot, no they should not be charged.

Being charged legally and facing employer disciplinary action are two different things.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

You work at the pleasure of your employer. I'm not surprised that some are losing jobs over simply showing up. If you have a liberal employer and they find out that a worker has bought into the whole 'stop the steal' nonsense, and believed it so strongly that they went to DC, then I could see some people losing jobs simply over that. Especially if they might have been on shaky ground prior to that. Or depending on the nature of the business and the clientele.

It could be a really bad image for a business to be associated with 'stop the steal.'

The Christian Baker's in Colorado will be pleased to hear you supporting the idea.

Agreed that employers have a right to have a universal standard of conduct from their employees. It's usually written into the contract employees sign upon employment.

 

[Cypress]

I leave it up to the cops to sort out who broke the law.

I leave it up to employers if they want to have a voluntary association with people who demonstrate anti-social behaviour - aka, crossing police barricades, posting threats on parler, etc.

I am record stating that people should not be harangued if they only attended Trump's speech and studiously avoided any participation in the breaching of the Capitol:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...zing-for-being-assholes&p=4160249#post4160249

 

[PoliTalker]

I can see circumstances where it would be understandable of somebody lost a job over simply going and streaming / posting on public social media.

What if the worker is a public representative of the business?

What if the business says that it's representatives agree as a condition of employment not to make public political statements?

And then they go a stream their attendance at a fact-denying 'stop the steal' rally?

Oh yeah.

Grounds for dismissal.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

The Christian Baker's in Colorado will be pleased to hear you supporting the idea.

Agreed that employers have a right to have a universal standard of conduct from their employees. It's usually written into the contract employees sign upon employment.

Different case.