Should ICE leave illegal agricultural and hospitality workers alone?

[Into the Night]

Unless you want to pick my avocados and strawberries. I'm not going to.

You aren't a farmer, Lurchy. You can pick your own avocados and strawberries...IF you can figure out how to grow them!

 

[Into the Night]

I guess it depends on how you define arrest.

How do you define it?

Don't have any idea, Pretender? FAFO

 

[Damocles]

Sorry. I keep forgetting you do and do not support Trump.

Again, Trump was not part of the conversation we were having. I get that he lives rent free in your head, but when we're talking about someone else who has said he was not arrested, and I simply post the legal difference between the two for the state in question and then you chime in about Trump being a Nazi, you are just interrupting a conversation with useless opinion that is not even based on the subject.

 

[Into the Night]

Webster defines arrest as...
"the taking or detaining in custody by authority of law
The investigation led to his arrest.


2
a
: the act of stopping
b
: the condition of being stopped or inactive"

Definition of ARREST

seize, capture; specifically : to take or keep in custody by authority of law; to bring to a stop; check, slow… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Webster does not define any word, Pretender.
Dictionaries don't define words. That is not their purpose.

 

[Into the Night]

I enjoy triggering you.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Definition of ARREST

seize, capture; specifically : to take or keep in custody by authority of law; to bring to a stop; check, slow… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of ARREST

seize, capture; specifically : to take or keep in custody by authority of law; to bring to a stop; check, slow… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Webster does not define any word, Pretender. False authority fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

That isn't how arrest and detention are defined legally

Do you use Websters as your Law Reference book?

Apparently.

 

[Damocles]

GOP wins 5th straight congressional baseball game…13-2.

What a bunch of wimps.

13-2

Who was their pitcher, Sanders?

 

[Into the Night]

Citation?

I am using websters definition.

Webster does not define any word, Pretender. That is not the purpose of a dictionary. False authority fallacy.

 

[Earl]

Who was their pitcher, Sanders?

Too funny.

 

[Into the Night]

I was not in a courtroom, I am on a discussion board.

Irrelevant.

I use the common definition.

No such thing, Pretender. You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

The word 'arrest' first entered the English lexicon in the 12th century, stemming from Latin 'arrestare', meaning to cause to stop. For example, causing your car to stop at a stop sign is to arrest the motion of the car (or more precisely, to bring the motion of the car and the stop sign into perfect phase).

The word is also used to detain or stop the activity of a person, as in arresting a criminal, or to arrest someone's behavior and kick them out of a meeting.

So, Earl and Fastlane, Jarod happens to be closer, though he committed a false authority fallacy to get there, and even though he is not completely accurate either.

Padilla's behavior was arrested and he was removed from the meeting and detained...another way of saying Padilla was arrested.

He was not arrested by a peace officer, but he WAS arrested.

 

[Into the Night]

So Jarod since you say Padillila was arrested he should have an arrest record correct?


An arrest is a formal act by law enforcement where a person is taken into custody, typically with the intention of charging them with a crime. It requires probable cause, meaning sufficient evidence to believe a crime has been committed. An arrest triggers the start of formal legal proceedings and may involve physical restraint, being taken to a police station for booking, and potentially being held in jail.


Detention, on the other hand, is a temporary restriction of a person's freedom by law enforcement, usually for the purpose of investigation or questioning. It requires only reasonable suspicion, which is a lower standard than probable cause. Detention is generally shorter in duration than an arrest and may not involve physical restraint or being taken into custody. A detention may lead to further investigation, but it doesn't automatically mean an arrest or charges will be filed.

No. An arrest does not result in an arrest 'record'. A detention IS a form of arrest.
An arrest may or may not result in charges being filed and prosecution of the one arrested.

 

[Into the Night]

You should be using a law source

Let's look at a law source:
California penal code Chpt 5, $833-851.90.

This bit of law states that an arrest may be made by any person, including a peace officer, and defines the legal way of handling the arrested individual after being arrested.

An arrest is NOT a charge or a filing in any court or a record of any kind.
It is an act to stop someone from doing what they are doing.

Peace officers will typically file charges with courts and may not even arrest the individual beyond stopping them to give them, say, a speeding ticket. To be stopped by a cop is to be arrested. He may let you go after giving you the ticket, but it IS an arrest.

If you resist, or cause further problems, he may arrest that too, and take you into custody. That can easily land you in a prison cell and your vehicle is impounded.

To arrest someone or something is to cause it to stop. That is all it means. There is no other meaning.

 

[Walt]

You can pick your own avocados and strawberries.

I have people around the world desperate to pick my avocados and strawberries for me, so why would I want to pick my own? It would be stealing a job from someone else. Given that agriculture makes up about 0.1% of my budget, I can easily pay 10 times more for picking it.

 

[Walt]

So, you lied when you said that you worked for UberEats.

I have never said I worked for UberEats. I do not even think I have used UberEats. I used DoorDash when I was quarantining with Covid.

We should all remember that Earl has trouble telling the difference between the voices in his head, and the people outside his head.

UberEats would be an upgrade from working at McDonalds.

I never worked in either, so would not know for sure. UberEats is basically freelance work, which sometimes is better, and sometimes worse, than a more regular job. I know that much at least.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

It seems that is what TACO is saying?

Senator Padilla was arrested in California by federal agents.

ICE is the new SS.
It must be disbanded immediately,
and its most egregious perpetrators should be shipped off to the Hague for trial forthwith...
beginning with Pigshit himself.

 

[Jarod]

https://www.egattorneys.com/detention-vs-arrest#:~:text=Remember%20the%20following%20key%20elements,liberty%20based%20on%20probable%20cause.

Let's see what CA attorneys have to say about it, here they tell you the difference between arrest and detention. I shouldn't have to tell attorneys to talk to attorneys.

Detention vs. Arrest in California Law​

The distinction between detention and arrest often comes down to the level of evidence law enforcement has and the level of control imposed on the individual. Remember the following key elements:

• Detention is a temporary stop based on suspicions.
• Arrest is a formal deprivation of liberty based on probable cause.

California law plays a crucial role in tightly regulating both detention and arrest, serving as a safeguard against potential abuse of police authority. This should reassure you that there are legal protections in place to ensure fair treatment, providing a sense of security and reassurance.

In the context of a legal case he was not arrested. He was detained.

In common language he was arrested.

 

[Damocles]

In the context of a legal case he was not arrested. He was detained.

In common language he was arrested.

So, in the context in which we were speaking, I was right and you were not.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

They can't legally "leave illegals alone". What they can do it what they've done for the past 100's of years. Let it go - these people are picking our produce. If a migrant commits a crime - arrest them, like would be done if a non-migrant commits a crime.

The right wants to equate the "leave the strawberry pickers and nannies alone" with "YOU BASTARD, YOU LOVE CRIME"! It's what the right has always done - propaganda and myths about dark people coming to get them to win support. It got H.W. elected over Dukakis.

Awesome post. Thanks, Lurch.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Is Padillia a strawberry picker.

BTW PADILLIA said he was not arrested. In fact he an Noems had a sit-down talk together.

Amazingly enough, OUR "leftist liberal media" news (NBC) informed us of that too. Now run along and wipe that trump off your chin. Your husband'll beat you again if he sees that. lol