Should he have been killed?

[Billy the Great Khan]

Death is merely a possible outcome. If the kid went down on the first shot and the bullet missed vitals, the cop wouldn't walk over and pop him in the head. Stop being so retarded.

Death is the probable outcome. And there isn't a single shot, its almost always 2 center mass.

 

[Damocles]

Death is the probable outcome. And there isn't a single shot, its almost always 2 center mass.

Yup trained to fire in 2 or 3 shot bursts at center mass. You can even hear them at the range... it's distinct.

 

[Rune]

Death is merely a possible outcome. If the kid went down on the first shot and the bullet missed vitals, the cop wouldn't walk over and pop him in the head. Stop being so retarded.

Your theory would work if it weren't for the fact that they they put 2 bullets center mass. Stop being yourself.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

i did not realize that police are trained to always shoot and kill and have no discretion. i don't believe that is accurate, i will see if i can get further information on it. i seriously doubt the local police department will tell me.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

i did not realize that police are trained to always shoot and kill and have no discretion. i don't believe that is accurate, i will see if i can get further information on it. i seriously doubt the local police department will tell me.

Its standard use of lethal force training. Cops are taught the same as military persons. You shoot to end a threat, and the best way to know a threat is ended is when its dead. Same for civilians with CCWs or in other defense situations. Never use lethal force with less than lethal intent.

 

[Bonestorm]

the issue presented is more than just

should an eighth grader armed with a pellet gun have been shot and killed by police?

the issue is...given the facts, is there anything else the officers could have done instead of killing him. dung would like us to narrow our minds and pretend the police had 'hindsight' before they shot. that is not the issue. hindsight is something that truly is an enigma.

The title of the thread is "Should he have been killed?" The answer is no, he should not have been killed. An eight grader with a pellet gun should not have been shot and killed by the police. Whether the police acted wrongfully is a separate question and reasonable people can disagree, but on the "should" question, the answer is an unequivocal no.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Texas 8th Grader Shot and Killed by Police was Carrying a Pellet Gun

The Texas eighth grader shot and killed by police in a middle school hallway Wednesday was carrying a pellet gun, not a handgun as police initially thought.

The parents of 15-year-old Jaime Gonzalez are demanding to know why officers took lethal force against their son, but police say the boy was brandishing — and refused to drop — what looked like a handgun, and that the officers acted correctly.

According to police radio records obtained by the Brownsville Herald, officers arrived at Cummings Middle School and saw a male holding a black handgun in a hallway. Police said he pointed the gun at officers as they repeatedly asked him to drop the weapon:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/upd...d-killed-by-police-was-carrying-a-pellet-gun/

if anyone has more facts to share, that would help. i don't know how i feel about this one yet. if there were no other people in immediate harm, why didn't the police back off or use non-lethal force?

btw...15 in eighth grade?

I don't have enough information to make an intelligent response. Alls I know is that I don't envy Police Officers these situations. These officers will be under harsh public scrutiny for killing a kid with a pellet gun but what if it has been a .38 and he ended up killing a classmate?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

The title of the thread is "Should he have been killed?" The answer is no, he should not have been killed. An eight grader with a pellet gun should not have been shot and killed by the police. Whether the police acted wrongfully is a separate question and reasonable people can disagree, but on the "should" question, the answer is an unequivocal no.

good point

 

[DamnYankee]

Death is the probable outcome. And there isn't a single shot, its almost always 2 center mass.

Point, minor as it is, noted. You shall now admit that I was correct that death isn't the goal, as you inferred.

 

[DamnYankee]

Your theory would work if it weren't for the fact that they they put 2 bullets center mass. Stop being yourself.

Keep on being retarded and living in Massachusetts.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

What straw man are you building now?

won't answer the question?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well because they represent authority, because they can get sued, because anybody poiting a gun at me will immediately be adressed as "sir" and mot of all because being subserviant to the armed police officers lets everyone go home at the end of the day. And I don't know about you Smarter but seeing tomorrow is one of my lifelong ambitions.

must have been real easy for you to surrender freedom.

 

[DamnYankee]

won't answer the question?

Ax me one that is relevant and I'll answer you.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I'm saying it's a relevant factor. You bring a gun to the school where my kid is you're going to get shot no matter how "professional" I'd like to be.

when did having a holstered gun at a school become a death sentence?

It's nice how personal feelings just get turned off when you "put on the uniform" and I suppose you think priests never sin and lawyers are all honest and judges never let their personal feelings affect judgements. Cops are people.

so long as you know who your betters are.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I understand that you have a problem with authority, but the fact is that they are trained licensed officers of the law and if they point a gun at you and tell you to shit your pants then you best start shitting.

one that is relevant? fine, i'll play your little game for a bit. Is the above a lawful order?

 

[DamnYankee]

one that is relevant? fine, i'll play your little game for a bit. Is the above a lawful order?

No.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No.

so when you said if a cop points a gun and tells you to shit, start shitting, you were just using hyperbole?

 

[DamnYankee]

so when you said if a cop points a gun and tells you to shit, start shitting, you were just using hyperbole?

Of course, duh. Do you have any sense of humor?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Of course, duh. Do you have any sense of humor?

not lately. carry on.

 

[Rune]

Point, minor as it is, noted. You shall now admit that I was correct that death isn't the goal, as you inferred.

Wait, death is a minor point? Even if not the goal, it is the almost certain result. As far as I know, the police now utilize various forms of non-lethal force as well. If death were not as least part of the goal, a nonlethal weapon would be the first choice.