should government follow the law?

and if they don't, how do they escape punishment? simply claim ignorance.

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2012/09/05/checkpoint-follies.aspx

In a doctrinally bankrupt decision, the Supreme Court in Michigan Dep't of State Police v. Sitz, majority opinion by Chief Justice William Rhenquist, held that there is a caveat in the Fourth Amendment written in ink only visible to six member of the court that allowed an exception to seize people who have given the police no reason in the world to be seized if the state can come up with a really good story about why it wants to. Sobriety field testing was just such a story.

The court only had a few conditions in letting the cops have their way: that it be truly random, and not used as a pretense to profile drivers of a color the cops didn't like, and that its randomness be reflected by an advance plan of what they would do, when and where they would do it. Because it would be pretty easy to claim an ad hoc roving checkpoint whenever the police decided they needed to make some collars for their quotas otherwise.

The idea was that an operational plan would be filed in advance of a checkpoint, and it would reflect the random manner of stopping otherwise innocent people. Whether every third car, maybe sixth, whatever, but that was as far as the court would let them go.

Still, this proved too hard for cops in Florida. http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/270868/250/Cases-dropped-after-illegal-DUI-checkpoint

So let's go back to that DUI checkpoint last December. Pasco Sheriff's deputies, Florida Highway Patrol troopers, and Tarpon Springs Police officers were in charge. The operational plan they filed stated they were going to pull over every third vehicle. Daniels noticed on the police's own squad car video recordings that the three agencies were breaking the rules. The video clearly shows the flagman at the front of the checkpoint wasn't following the plan and flagging in three and four cars at the time.​

Darn those dashcams. So Jason Sammis, a lawyer representing someone caught in the net, took this to the state attorney to show that the cops ignored the operational plan, and rendered the checkpoint flagrantly unlawful. The state attorney reacted, well, in a curious fashion.

nstead of dropping the cases, the state attorney's office took a new tactic and it got ten law enforcement officers who worked that night to sign affidavits saying the operational plan was followed, which was a bald-faced lie.


After all, if ten officers swear to a lie, then it must be true. But the state's attorney claimed it was an honest mistake:

A spokesman says Assistant State Attorney Vin [irony alert] Petty missed that fact while he was at the checkpoint, and when he first watched the video, and that's why he had officers sign the affidavits. The police agencies also claim they had no idea they were violating the law.​


that ignorance of the law thing is pretty cool. just claim you had no idea you were breaking the law and be cleared of any wrongdoing......so long as you're a law enforcement agent.
 
i agree with you.

question is, what is the punishment for them not following the law?
the courts have made it very clear that they have the backs of cops, and unless the law that was violated was 'clearly established' (i've read this to be anywhere from a court case that that specific agency was involved in and lost, or a law that they were actually trained in), the police have qualified immunity, meaning they will not be punished. Only the taxpayers.
 
the courts have made it very clear that they have the backs of cops, and unless the law that was violated was 'clearly established' (i've read this to be anywhere from a court case that that specific agency was involved in and lost, or a law that they were actually trained in), the police have qualified immunity, meaning they will not be punished. Only the taxpayers.

true. unless you can get around QI, which, if a civil right is violated, you most often can. the problem is there is no criminal laws for the police not following police law.
 
hmmm building an order of command immune to the very laws they uphold...hmm sounds like a few Novels I have read.
 
true. unless you can get around QI, which, if a civil right is violated, you most often can. the problem is there is no criminal laws for the police not following police law.
no, you most often cannot. there are two very major hurdles one has to get over for that to even be heard. 1) enough financial resources to match what the government will spend defending their cop(s), and 2) was that right clearly established at that time.

the 'no criminal laws for police not following police law' is something i've brought up numerous times in other threads. the problem is that most people don't want to concern themselves with that. it's almost like they are thinking 'that's the government issue, let them deal with it'. sheeple mentality at it's finest.
 
Unfortunately, they are following the law. We need better lawmen including at every level including those who make and interpret the law. Obama is no hope here. The left wing authoritarians always go along with the police state. They just never write opinions. Since abortion is all anyone cares about when it comes to the Supremes that's upon what they are chosen. Nobody checks any further. Especially, part time pundits and blow hards.

Libertarians often fan the old flames promising righties some power to enslave women at the state level. Sure we believe in states rights and the division of power. We do! But it does not matter. It is time to move on. We need better friends.

Listen to the sage. Remember, Clint says everybody is number one! He means it, too.
 
Unfortunately, they are following the law. We need better lawmen including at every level including those who make and interpret the law. Obama is no hope here. The left wing authoritarians always go along with the police state. They just never write opinions. Since abortion is all anyone cares about when it comes to the Supremes that's upon what they are chosen. Nobody checks any further. Especially, part time pundits and blow hards.

Libertarians often fan the old flames promising righties some power to enslave women at the state level. Sure we believe in states rights and the division of power. We do! But it does not matter. It is time to move on. We need better friends.

Listen to the sage. Remember, Clint says everybody is number one! He means it, too.

You are #2.
 
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