cawacko
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They go to swing states. Except for Hillary
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They go to swing states. Except for Hillary
blackascoal
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If civility is a problem I can go a different direction.
I said with your politics, I don't believe you would have voted for Bernie Sanders.
Yes, I was here, and I watched you vacillate between support for Sanders and Trump.
I believe your support for Sanders was in opposition to all things Hillary Clinton.
You are one of the most full-throated supporters of all things Trump on this board. It's hard to reconcile that with your support for a socialist.
I didn't call you a liar .. I said what I believe.
Racist whites ( and why single out men?) and race hustlers are the bane to ever coming together.
I agree on that.
You're not smart enough to be a Sharpton/hustler. You're just a bimbo
No, that bimbo would be your mother.
Ok you were here -I thought you wern't -my apology. I'll break it down for you then.
1. Hillary was a "no-go"never, no way - i'd have supported Beelzebub before her.
Libya/Iraq -typical Dem ID politics -she was the absolute worst ever in every fashion.
2. Recall I am just as interested ( if not more so ) in REFORM of the duopoly,more then any 1 election.
If you can't reform it -kill it. Both Bernie and Trump had these qualities ( so called anti-establishment).
3. I still think income inequality is a big problem -but I think the better way to solve it is to grow GDP
much more then the anemic 2% we've had under Obama
(make the pie bigger,instead of trying to cut the pie more equally) -but at least Bernie put this as his main plank
and I would support him for that.
4. Single Pay..Far and away the only real candidate to fully support this is Bernie.. That YUGE in my opinion.
5 Trump offers Reform ( and still could if he can push back on the Republicans in Congress)and Trump
wanted a Russian reset -which I think is the biggest /best idea in foreign policy.
If It came down to Bernie and Trump...I think i'd have gone Bernie..but i never had to really think that thru all the way. It would have been a delicious choice.
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I find it interesting how you deny the obvious truth. Seems you're somewhat ashamed of it. Can't say that I blame you.
blackascoal
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Hillary Clinton supported single-payer before Bernie Sanders did .. and unknown to the casual voter, Bernie Sanders was the candidate of choice that republicans wanted to run against, not Hillary Clinton.
Sanders has a plethora of skeletons in his closet that republicans would have unleashed if he was the candidate .. which is why they rarely attacked him .. saving all their fire for Hillary .. whom they did not want to run against.
Sanders would not have beaten Trump for a host of reasons.
That being said, Trump doesn't want any real healthcare at all .. not even Obamacare .. yet you support that.
I'm pretty sure trump didn't campaign in every state, He was no different from Hillary in that regard.
He did not, that is correct. He just campaigned in the states that made a difference. Big difference from Hillary.
blackascoal
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Sanders had little connection to the black community and few believed that he had any chance of winning.
Clinton did have a chance, in fact she was the favorite to win and she promised to address the issues of police brutality that attracted many of us to reluctantly support her .. especially when we knew she was running against a racist clown.
Here's THE MOST important statistic of 2016 ..
58% of all white voters elected Donald Trump.
I understand your urge to place his election on everybody else .. but that won't work.
cawacko
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It's not about campaigning in every state. It's about campaigning in the battleground states. How can this be new to people on a political board?
cawacko
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Every single election they talk about battle ground states. Is that term new to you?
Did trump campaign in every battleground state? Serious question.
Think I read he didn't spend a lot of time in Cali, then he bitched about losing those electoral votes.
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I don't really. But there's lots of blame to go around. I acknowledge that Trump was the choice of racists. That doesn't mean that everybody that voted for him is one. Even Biden admitted that. And you have to admit that there were people that twice voted for Obama voted for Trump.
Seems to me the vast majority of voters can't seem to get past that they have to vote repub, dem or stay home. Many that voted for Hillary didn't like her just voted the lesser of two bads. Many that voted for Trump didn't like him just voted the lesser of two bads.
I said this in another thread: I blame republican voters for nominating Trump and I blame dim voters for nominating hrc and therefore Trump being your president. Trump ran the worst campaign I've ever witnessed and dims nominated the one person that couldn't beat him.
Another thing I find interesting is real life snowflakes have accused me of being a traitor because I voted for Johnson, I've been accused of being a racist for supporting Johnson even though he's never had a flick of racism in his history (unlike the other two candidates), and even you accuse me of having supported Trump because of my support of Johnson.[/QUOTE]
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I don't know about his skeletons -but i think his enthusiastic supporters would have turned out the Dem's
unlike HRClintons. Recall Clinton's negatives were just as bad as Trumps -
and if you wanna call Trump a clown you should acknowledge Clinton's campaign was surrealistically bad also
( the topic here).
I don't think anyone knows for sure who would have won Trump v Bernie -
I do know the Obama coalition had no enthusiasm (turnout) -whatever skeletons were in Bernies closet.
So turnout wouldn't have been the problem.
I think he would have won, and polls show he did better against Trump.
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There is a difference between yet another entitlement program, and a self sustaining HC model.
Obamacare is failing. It just is, and requires more an more premium hikes,and more and more subsidies.
I like the features of Obamacare , but it's no substitute for SP, and I do not believe it is some transitional to SP.
The Dem's now support SP -so do I ultimately- because the money saved on premiums and for-profit HC can support SP without becoming another costly entitlement program that OCare is becoming.
It has to go. we can't afford it. Not that I'm liking the Repub alternative that much, but at least it's not
so costly to run. It's all patch worked garbage, if it's not SP
cawacko
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He won so as much as I hate him he did something right. Did he visit Wisconsin? Where did Trump spend his last week? It wasn't in California. Hillary was in AZ right before the election.
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OK, and 59% voted for Romney four yrs. ago. 88% of blacks voted for hrc compared to 93% for Obama four years ago. I'm not sure what your point is other than a significant smaller percentage of blacks voted for hrc than Obama and a small percentage more blacks voted for Trump than Romney in '16. Looks to me like the big swing that got Trump in was the increase in percentage of blacks that voted for him and didn't vote for hrc. Otherwise nothing else changed much.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
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I always thought it spoke well of Obama's character that he worked as a community organizer.
I am sure he could have easily gotten a more lucrative job if money and material possessions were a priority for him.
I have never expected the Reich Wingers to understand the concept and value of community service, so that is a vast gulf of difference between lefties and Reich wingers.
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cawacko
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Out of curiousity have there been any studies done showing whether left or right wingers support public service more?
These days he's committed to organizing parties with Oprah, Springsteen, Hanks and Geffen.
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Blow your brains out Nazi. You took away my freedom. You took away the freedom of our children. You are a bloodthirsty fascist, and you deserve to die. I hope you all die. Death to all rightists! Let Trump be the last rightist leader of the US ! Once the occupation ends we will have vengeance, the people will parade your Nazi heads on pikes once we free ourselves from your insane, fascist, racist, bigoted, evil totalitarian grasp!