sharia and arbitration

Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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as long as the parties agree and the arbitrator stays within civil and criminal law, there is no reason for muslims not to follow sharia
 
But sharia law is not within our civil and criminal confines.

Women cannot be treated like property because they agree. Beating gays, and stoning women who date boys is not within our code.

Be alarmed, all, we should not allow the hideous shariah camel it's nose under our tent of jurisprudence.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But sharia law is not within our civil and criminal confines.

Women cannot be treated like property because they agree. Beating gays, and stoning women who date boys is not within our code.

Be alarmed, all, we should not allow the hideous shariah camel it's nose under our tent of jurisprudence.
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so you are claiming that no part of sharia law falls within current criminal and civil law

please be advised that our own civil law permits arbitration by litigants if all parties involved agree
 
DonQuixote said:
as long as the parties agree and the arbitrator stays within civil and criminal law, there is no reason for muslims not to follow sharia
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Yes, except there are limitations, a person cant sign a contract to be a sex slave then expect the courts to uphold that contract.


The law generally will uphold an otherwise valid agreement when the provisions of that agreement are not unconshonable.
 
well shit howdy...why don't we give all beliefs their own arbitration :rolleyes:

why is it the left focuses so much on the rights of muslims? and very little on any other religion...
 
DonQuixote said:
as long as the parties agree and the arbitrator stays within civil and criminal law, there is no reason for muslims not to follow sharia
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The problem is many aspect of Shria are in conflict with our laws. How can they arbitrate under Sharia legally when Sharia allows extreme bias against a woman's testimony? The second a Sharia arbiter takes the man's word over a woman, the second a woman's testimony is disallowed because of her gender as Sharia calls for in certain circumstances, the arbitration is void because it violates our laws. If they limit Sharia to strictly internal faith matters, then there is no problem. But they want to use Sharia (religious doctrine) to adjudicate CIVIL matters, not just church matters, and have it legally binding. That violates the 1st Amendment.
 
DonQuixote said:
as long as the parties agree and the arbitrator stays within civil and criminal law, there is no reason for muslims not to follow sharia
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Well, other than the Constitution, there's no reason. You see, the Constitution states that we are all entitled to the same treatment under the law. There aren't different standards applied depending on anything, race, religion, gender, what part of the country you're in... nothing is an acceptable criteria to abandon the Constitution and go with another system of justice. So you're, first of all, asking for something that just violated the fuck out of what we've established as our Constitution and rule of law.

Secondly, you are advocating the implementation of a system of law based on a religious teaching, and completely the opposite of the legal system we have in America. I seriously doubt you've done much research on Sharia, or you would understand, it is abhorrently sexist and discriminatory, and in most cases, very brutal and unforgiving. People do not have the right to appeal, they must accept the mandate of Sharia. I get that you said "if all parties agree" but what party would agree to be tried under a barbaric unforgiving and strict religious-based legal system, as opposed to standard American jurisprudence? You'd have to me mentally incompetent to stand trial, if that is what you desired.

Let me ask you something? Do you really believe all this Islamic ass kissing you're doing, is going to help the problem? Do you honestly think capitulation is the answer in dealing with the radical Islamofascists? Have you ever done any research into a guy named Neville Chamberlain? He had exactly the same kind of thinking back before WWII, when Hitler was cutting his teeth on central Europe. People in the UK were concerned with Nazi aggression, and military overthrow of smaller European countries. Neville met with Hitler, and returned to announce an "agreement" had been reached, and for another couple of years, led the world down the fairy-tale path of trying to appease the Nazi juggernaut. It FAILED miserably! His STUPIDITY almost caused the entire WORLD to be under Nazi control! It took every ounce of military might we could muster, along with the Brits AND Russia, to stop Hitler! Hundreds of thousands of Americans DIED as a result of this insane idea of appeasing our enemy! And here we are, all these years later, and apparently there is a generation of brain-dead uneducated fuckwitted morons, who can't comprehend the mistakes of the past, hell bent and determined to repeat it again!
 
You can follow any law you choose, if you want it enforced in the United States it will have to be the law of the United States. If you have a Contract and you want it enforced it had better be in accordance with the laws of the United States or of the particular state, it better not be for an illegal purpose, and it better not be for an unchonsable purpose or have unconshonable provisions.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Fuck all this shariah bullshit.

they will assimilate to us. We will not be giving a shit about allah.
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Of course, they will. There is no reason to deny them their religion, though.

I know several Muslim's living in New York. The married ones are all married to American women. Do you honestly think they are following sharia or that their wives would use such a court? Of course, not. If there is any dispute they will use a US civil court. I seriously doubt their Americanized children will be using sharia either. Just as most Jews are not using Beit Din and most Mormon women don't avoid wearing pants or cutting their hair.

You guys are going into histrionics about how a few fundamentalist will voluntarily settle disputes.

You all are engaging in the textbook fear mongering of ignorant xenophobes who piss themselves with nightmares of an alien culture swamping ours. You guys are no different than the terrorist in that regard. But the Islamic fundamentalists are probably at least somewhat rational in their fear of being swamped by our superior culture. It's happening in THEIR countries without immigrants from America.

Again, idiots like you once told us the Catholic immigrants would install a government subordinate to the pope. It did not happen. The children of many of those Catholic immigrants barely know the tenets of their faith if they have not rejected it entirely.
 
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RStringfield said:
Of course, they will. There is no reason to deny them their religion, though.

I know several Muslim's living in New York. The married ones are all married to American women. Do you honestly think they are following sharia or that their wives would use such a court? Of course, not. If there is any dispute they will use a US civil court. I seriously doubt their Americanized children will be using sharia either. Just as most Jews are not using Beit Din and most Mormon women don't avoid wearing pants or cutting their hair.

You guys are going into histrionics about how a few fundamentalist will voluntarily settle disputes.

You all are engaging in the textbook fear mongering of ignorant xenophobes who piss themselves with nightmares of an alien culture swamping ours. You guys are no different than the terrorist in that regard. But the Islamic fundamentalists are probably at least somewhat rational in their fear of being swamped by our superior culture. It's happening in THEIR countries without immigrants from America.

Again, idiots like you once told us the Catholic immigrants would install a government subordinate to the pope. It did not happen. The children of many of those Catholic immigrants barely know the tenets of their faith if they have not rejected it entirely.
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the teachings of the religion itself are incompatible with a NON THEOCRATIC society.

And if they're going to assimilate they can prove by disavowing islam before entering the nation.

Sorry, but tolerance fades when it tolerates intolerance. It's called give and take, not take and take.
 
AssHatZombie said:
the teachings of the religion itself are incompatible with a NON THEOCRATIC society.

And if they're going to assimilate they can prove by disavowing islam before entering the nation.

Sorry, but tolerance fades when it tolerates intolerance. It's called give and take, not take and take.
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the only religion that does not recruit others is Judaism - all others think that their religion is the only true faith and are required to endeavor to recruit and convert others to their faith
 
DonQuixote said:
the only religion that does not recruit others is Judaism - all others think that their religion is the only true faith and are required to endeavor to recruit and convert others to their faith
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Not true. Christianity is a religion of acceptance. In other words, you have to accept Christ as your personal savior, there is no other way to be a Christian. No one can "recruit" you or coerce you, force you or make you be a Christian, you must accept Jesus Christ on your own accord. People can tell you about Christ and Christianity, but it is ultimately their choice to make, and theirs alone.
 
Dixie said:
Not true. Christianity is a religion of acceptance. In other words, you have to accept Christ as your personal savior, there is no other way to be a Christian. No one can "recruit" you or coerce you, force you or make you be a Christian, you must accept Jesus Christ on your own accord. People can tell you about Christ and Christianity, but it is ultimately their choice to make, and theirs alone.
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Dude, Christians are all over the world trying to recruit.

Hell,,, they're literally in my backyard.
 
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