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What year's long drought?
severe western drought
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You're such a hypocrite, can't say I'm at all surprised though.
California Is Addicted To Oil From The Amazon
By Irina Slav - Dec 06, 2021, 2:00 PM CST
California is by far the most ambitious U.S. state when it comes to things like emission standards, EV sales, and renewable energy. California is shutting down its nuclear power plants to double down on wind and solar.
It is also importing more oil from the Amazon rainforest than any country in the world.
Ecuador accounted for a little over 24 percent of California’s oil imports as of 2020. That equaled 55,219 barrels daily, according to the California Energy Commission. Interestingly, this is a substantial increase from the previous year, when Ecuador accounted for 18.22 percent of California’s oil imports, and from the year before, when Ecuador accounted for 14 percent.
This oil from Ecuador, according to a recent investigation by NBC News, comes from the Amazon rainforest—an area that is the target of massive conservation efforts and yet remains one of the most exploited parts of the world because of its natural resource wealth.
Ecuador is home to the Yasuni National Park, which contains some of the most diverse ecosystems globally, including two uncontacted indigenous tribes. For these tribes, the government even approved a so-called Intangible Zone—a border not to be crossed in order to protect these tribes. But that was before 2019. Two years ago, the government of Ecuador approved a plan to open up Yasuni National Park to oil and gas drilling.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/California-Is-Addicted-To-Oil-From-The-Amazon.html
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There is also the little matter of the 25% imported electricity from other states, not that you'd ever hear Cypress talk about that though!
https://www.oilandgas360.com/califo...et-electricity-importer-of-any-state-in-2019/
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How Much Energy Will the World Need?
Are we heading toward an all-renewable energy future, spearheaded by wind and solar? Or are those energy sources wholly inadequate for the task? Mark Mills, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The Cloud Revolution, compares the energy dream to the energy reality.
We’re headed toward an exciting all-renewable energy future. Wind and solar will power the world of tomorrow.
And tomorrow isn’t far off!........
…It’s time to wake up.
You’re having a dream.
Here’s the reality.
Oil, natural gas, and coal provide 84% of all the world’s energy. That’s down just two percentage points from twenty years ago.
And oil still powers nearly 97% of all global transportation.
Contrary to headlines claiming that we’re rapidly transitioning away from fossil fuels, it's just not happening. Two decades and five trillion dollars of governments “investing” in green energy and we’ve barely moved the needle.
This was supposed to be easy. Why is it so hard?
In a word: rocks.
To get the same amount of energy from solar and wind that we now get from fossil fuels, we’re going to have to massively increase mining.
By more than 1000%.
This isn’t speculation. This is physics.
Copper, iron ore, silicon, nickel, chromium, zinc, cobalt, lithium, graphite, and rare earth metals like neodymium. We need them all.
And then those metals and materials have to be turned into motors, turbine blades, solar panels, batteries, and hundreds of other industrial components. That also takes lots of energy, which requires even more mining.
As a World Bank study put it, these green “technologies … are in fact significantly more material intensive” than our current energy mix. That may be the understatement of the century: raw materials account for 50-70% of the costs to manufacture both solar panels and batteries.
Until now it hasn’t really mattered that much because wind and solar still account for only a few percentage points of the global energy supply. They’re an applause line for environmentalists—not a major energy player. And it’s unlikely they will be in the foreseeable future.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say we sharply ramp up mining. Where would these new mines be located?
Well, for one, China.
That country is today the single largest source for most of our critical energy materials. The United States is not only a minor player but is dependent on imports for 100% of 17 critical minerals. Do we want to give China more political and economic leverage? Europe has made itself dependent on Russia for 40% of its natural gas. How well has that worked out?
Ironically, we have all the minerals we need right here in North America.
But good luck trying to get them out of the ground.
Proposals to build mines in the United States and, increasingly almost everywhere else, meet fierce opposition if not outright bans. To give just one example, in 2022 the Biden Administration canceled a proposed copper and nickel mine in northern Minnesota. This was after years of delays, navigating a maze of environmental regulations.
Yes, the same environmentalists and green-leaning politicians who tout all the benefits of electric cars are the same people who make mining the materials essential to build those cars—like copper and nickel—all but impossible.
Try to square that circle.
So far, we’ve only talked about today’s energy needs. What about tomorrow’s?
Future energy demand will be far greater than today’s. That’s been true for the entire history of civilization. The future will not only have more people but also more innovations. And entrepreneurs have always been better at inventing new ways to use energy than to produce it.
It’s obvious but worth stating: Before the invention of automobiles, airplanes, pharmaceuticals, or computers, there was no energy needed to power them.
And as more people become more prosperous, they'll want the things others already have—from better medical care to vacations to cars.
In America, there are about 80 cars for every 100 citizens. In most of the world, it’s about five per hundred citizens.
Over 80% of air travel is for personal purposes. That’s two billion barrels of oil a year.
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California imports oil from Ecuador, according to a recent investigation by NBC News, comes from the Amazon rainforest—an area that is the target of massive conservation efforts and yet remains one of the most exploited parts of the world because of its natural resource wealth.
Ecuador is home to the Yasuni National Park, which contains some of the most diverse ecosystems globally, including two uncontacted indigenous tribes. For these tribes, the government even approved a so-called Intangible Zone—a border not to be crossed in order to protect these tribes. But that was before 2019. Two years ago, the government of Ecuador approved a plan to open up Yasuni National Park to oil and gas drilling.
Ecuador is home to the Yasuni National Park, which contains some of the most diverse ecosystems globally, including two uncontacted indigenous tribes. For these tribes, the government even approved a so-called Intangible Zone—a border not to be crossed in order to protect these tribes. But that was before 2019. Two years ago, the government of Ecuador approved a plan to open up Yasuni National Park to oil and gas drilling.
California's imports were the largest in the United States last year when 25 percent of California's total electricity supply was imported, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) said on Monday.
Last year, California's net electricity imports were the largest in the country at 70.8 million megawatt-hours (MWh), followed by Ohio, Massachusetts, Virginia, and Tennessee, EIA data showed.
In California's case, the state's utilities partly own and import power from several power plants in Arizona and Utah. California's electricity imports also include hydroelectric power from the Pacific Northwest, mostly across high-voltage transmission lines from Oregon to the Los Angeles area.
This summer, amid the great West heatwave, the largest U.S. solar state, California, was grappling with power issues and struggling to keep its electricity grid stable as demand exceeds supply.
California energy consumers were warned of rolling outages as there was insufficient energy to meet the high demand during the heatwave in August. In California, where solar power supplies more than 20 percent of electricity as per the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), August's rolling outages were the worst such outages since the 2000-2001 energy crisis in the state.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...s-The-Top-US-Net-Importer-Of-Electricity.html
Last year, California's net electricity imports were the largest in the country at 70.8 million megawatt-hours (MWh), followed by Ohio, Massachusetts, Virginia, and Tennessee, EIA data showed.
In California's case, the state's utilities partly own and import power from several power plants in Arizona and Utah. California's electricity imports also include hydroelectric power from the Pacific Northwest, mostly across high-voltage transmission lines from Oregon to the Los Angeles area.
This summer, amid the great West heatwave, the largest U.S. solar state, California, was grappling with power issues and struggling to keep its electricity grid stable as demand exceeds supply.
California energy consumers were warned of rolling outages as there was insufficient energy to meet the high demand during the heatwave in August. In California, where solar power supplies more than 20 percent of electricity as per the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), August's rolling outages were the worst such outages since the 2000-2001 energy crisis in the state.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...s-The-Top-US-Net-Importer-Of-Electricity.html
gemini104104
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You continue to be a fool at projecting global droughts on America. This includes to which major parts of the U.S gets above average rainfall per year. Perhaps with the possibly of states sharing water might alleviate the deluge on their acquirers and flooding, and without the need for desalination in drought areas:
North America: Great Drought in what is now the northwestern United States from 1276 to 1299; Dust Bowl in the central plains of the United States in the 1930s
Africa: Ethiopian famine in Ethiopia from 1983 to 1985
Europe: Dalton minimum from 1770 to 1840
Asia: Great Famine in India from 1876 to 1878 and North China famine from 1876 to 1879
Australia: Millennium Drought in southeastern Australia from 2001 to 2009"
https://www.britannica.com/story/cu...amine in Ethiopia,Australia from 2001 to 2009
And indeed, that is what we appear to be seeing across the world over the past few years. Here’s a look at seven extreme droughts that have occurred in the past decade:
Australia’s one-in-a-thousand-year drought
Australia’s “Millennium” drought began in 1995 and continued country-wide until late 2009. Reservoir levels fell precipitously, as did crop production and industrial water use. A number of cities, including Melbourne, Sydney and Perth, built desalination plants in an effort to partially drought-proof themselves, while other areas pursued grey water recycling projects. Between 2001 and 2012, the federal government provided $4.5 billion in assistance to drought-affected farmers and small businesses .
In 2010-11, following quickly on the heels of the drought, Australia experienced its worst flooding in half a century, as an area of Queensland larger than the size of France and Germany combined flooded, affecting 200,000 people and costing at least $10 billion.
https://www.wri.org/insights/global-tour-7-recent-droughts
California ranks 49th out of 50 states in lowest consumption of fuel and energy per person.
Maybe all the other states should learn to be as fuel and energy efficient as California.
https://www.eia.gov/state/seds/data.php?incfile=/state/seds/sep_sum/html/rank_use_capita.html&sid=US
Incorrect definition.
Carbon is an element found in ubiquitous quantities throughout the universe not only in coal, oil, natural gas, but in rocks, minerals, gasses, or even in it's pure elemental form.
Gondwanaland
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The one Colorado and much of the West has been in for several years now. A tiny above average snowpack doesn't erase the years of below average snowpacks and precipitation. Colorado has been in 22 years of drought, one of the worst in centuries.
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Which has nothing to do with California raping the Ecuadorean rain forest for oil.
California is by far the most ambitious U.S. state when it comes to things like emission standards, EV sales, and renewable energy. California is shutting down its nuclear power plants to double down on wind and solar.
It is also importing more oil from the Amazon rainforest than any country in the world.
Ecuador accounted for a little over 24 percent of California’s oil imports as of 2020. That equaled 55,219 barrels daily, according to the California Energy Commission. Interestingly, this is a substantial increase from the previous year, when Ecuador accounted for 18.22 percent of California’s oil imports, and from the year before, when Ecuador accounted for 14 percent.
This oil from Ecuador, according to a recent investigation by NBC News, comes from the Amazon rainforest—an area that is the target of massive conservation efforts and yet remains one of the most exploited parts of the world because of its natural resource wealth.
Ecuador is home to the Yasuni National Park, which contains some of the most diverse ecosystems globally, including two uncontacted indigenous tribes. For these tribes, the government even approved a so-called Intangible Zone—a border not to be crossed in order to protect these tribes. But that was before 2019. Two years ago, the government of Ecuador approved a plan to open up Yasuni National Park to oil and gas drilling.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/California-Is-Addicted-To-Oil-From-The-Amazon.html
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I think it is Shell Oil company, not California, drilling in the Amazon
Why don't you explain how all the conservative states can try to be as energy efficient as California, and make their per Capita carbon footprint as low as California's?
Stringfellow Hawk
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I guess California wasn't listening as they continued to abuse their water tables putting golf courses and high end homes in a desert. They are now seeing the results of their efforts
California and the most liberal states have the lowest carbon footprint per Capita in the nation.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?190509-severe-western-drought&p=5153983#post5153983
When are conservative states going to catch up to the liberal states in reducing their per Capita carbon footprint?
Stringfellow Hawk
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Move the goal posts if you like, they still need water from other states to survive due to their water table abuses. Fuzzy accounting does not change that assault to their environment. The wildfires fall directly at their door. not anyone else
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The end destination for the oil is California, are you going to deny that? I also fail to see how importing 25% of your electricity is energy efficient, or indeed low carbon, when much of the imported electricity is produced by coal fired power stations out of state.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...s-The-Top-US-Net-Importer-Of-Electricity.html
the Governor of California cannot stop Shell Oil from drilling in the Amazon.
Since you are so concerned with deforestation of tropical forests, deforestation is a massive problem in Thailand where you choose to reside.
Why haven't you been complaining about deforestation in Thailand on this board?
Deforestation in Thailand
Between 1945 and 1975, forest cover in Thailand declined from 61% to 34% of the country's land area. Over the succeeding 11 years, Thailand lost close to 28% of all of its remaining forests. This means that the country lost 3.1% of its forest cover each year over that period.[4] An estimate by the World Wildlife Fund concluded that between 1973 and 2009, 43% of forest loss in the Greater Mekong subregion occurred in Thailand and Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Def...refers to,million rai) of Thailand's landmass.
Between 1945 and 1975, forest cover in Thailand declined from 61% to 34% of the country's land area. Over the succeeding 11 years, Thailand lost close to 28% of all of its remaining forests. This means that the country lost 3.1% of its forest cover each year over that period.[4] An estimate by the World Wildlife Fund concluded that between 1973 and 2009, 43% of forest loss in the Greater Mekong subregion occurred in Thailand and Vietnam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Def...refers to,million rai) of Thailand's landmass.
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And there it is, the classic duck and swerve! Why can't you answer the question you were asked without attempting to introduce a red herring? You are always boasting about how green and responsible California is yet when confronted with embarrassing facts you attempt to change the subject.