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Senator Lindsey Graham commits to introducing legislation that will severely punish Russia for hack interference w/ US elections

Recent reports indicate bogus IDs were established in social media, IDs traced to Russia.
Investigators seem to believe there's a connection between these ghost ID's, & Russia.

Our senior Republican leadership don't like it.

a) Do you support Sen. Graham on this?

b) Since in the 2016 election, indications are not merely that the Russians interfered with U.S. election, but that this Russian interference benefited the Republican party. If so, might the legislation Graham has committed to here actually work to the detriment of the G.O.P.?

c) Whatever Graham comes up with, do you think it'll be adequate? Or will Putin simply accept it, as he did the sanctions that resulted from the Crimea annexation?
 
Daffy Dawn will try to defeat it.
No one insults his precious Vlad Vlad the impaler.

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That video is tough to watch.

Is that Fallon?

Did you see the comedy bit Candidate Trump did w/ Fallon, where Fallon impersonated Trump, in a mock mirror that was just an empty frame? So they sat facing one another on the set, and Fallon raked Trump over the coals.
 
sear said:
That video is tough to watch.

Is that Fallon?

Did you see the comedy bit Candidate Trump did w/ Fallon, where Fallon impersonated Trump, in a mock mirror that was just an empty frame? So they sat facing one another on the set, and Fallon raked Trump over the coals.
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That was Putin, happily impaling Daffy up the ass.
 
Lindsey will be labeled a RINO, any legislation he introduces will be allowed to die because the rest of the spineless cretins on the (R) side don't want to be labeled as RINOs, and Twittler will whine about it till it's gone.
 
sear said:
Senator Lindsey Graham commits to introducing legislation that will severely punish Russia for hack interference w/ US elections

Recent reports indicate bogus IDs were established in social media, IDs traced to Russia.
Investigators seem to believe there's a connection between these ghost ID's, & Russia.

Our senior Republican leadership don't like it.

a) Do you support Sen. Graham on this?

b) Since in the 2016 election, indications are not merely that the Russians interfered with U.S. election, but that this Russian interference benefited the Republican party. If so, might the legislation Graham has committed to here actually work to the detriment of the G.O.P.?

c) Whatever Graham comes up with, do you think it'll be adequate? Or will Putin simply accept it, as he did the sanctions that resulted from the Crimea annexation?
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How many times do we have to sanction Russia over their alleged hacking and troll meddling?

I’m pretty sure Putin has gotten the idea by now lol. And why didn’t Obama sanction Russia when he knew what was going on. Why is it up to Trump to do everything?

Here’s why: the Left doesn’t really care about Russia and amusingly, they actually think that’s a secret. What they care about is using Russian meddling to delegitimize the election of 2016. Lindsey Graham is a more sincere Russia phobe because he would have happily sanctioned Putin 3 years ago when the lefties thought concern over Russia was joke. We are supposed to forget they mocked Romney over Russia.

So for the time being at least, we have this weird alliance between the two.

Note that section b) in the OP is particularly facile: it suggests that the Russians affected the outcome of the election. Any reader of that was not-knowing of certain facts would be led to believe the bastard Russians all but elected Donald Trump.

And this subtle deception is purposeful when done by the media. How else does one explain the fact that so many Democrats believe the Russians stole the election for Trump?
 
Has Donald Trump 'been much tougher on Russia' than Barack Obama?
Fact Checkers rate this claim "Mostly False".
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...nald-trump-been-much-tougher-russia-barack-o/

Trump fought against bipartisan congressional efforts to sanction Russia - thus virtue-signaling his Masters in the Kremlin that he was not interested in enforcing sanctions against them.


With respect to L. Graham - I do not know what "severely punish" means. I cannot get my head around what he means by "severe".
And Punishment is a word you use for ill-behaved children. It is an insult to use it on a nation-state of 200 million people. Russians are a proud people, and talking about "punishing" them is counter-productive.
Words matter. Especially in global diplomacy, international relations, and geopolitics.
Punitive measures against Russia need to be proportional, as opposed to "severe". Not only for meddling in our election, but for the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine, which violated every tenet of post-World War 2 ethos and code of conduct the world established to avoid another global conflagration.

In our relations with Russia, we also simply cannot be punitive. We have to listen to their grievances with an open mind, and take them into consideration. That is generally the basis for improving relations, trust, and cooperation between nation-states.
 
Cypress said:
Has Donald Trump 'been much tougher on Russia' than Barack Obama?
Fact Checkers rate this claim "Mostly False".
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...nald-trump-been-much-tougher-russia-barack-o/

Trump fought against bipartisan congressional efforts to sanction Russia - thus virtue-signaling his Masters in the Kremlin that he was not interested in enforcing sanctions against them.


With respect to L. Graham - I do not know what "severely punish" means. I cannot get my head around what he means by "severe".
And Punishment is a word you use for ill-behaved children. It is an insult to use it on a nation-state of 200 million people. Russians are a proud people, and talking about "punishing" them is counter-productive.
Words matter. Especially in global diplomacy, international relations, and geopolitics.
Punitive measures against Russia need to be proportional, as opposed to "severe". Not only for meddling in our election, but for the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine, which violated every tenet of post-World War 2 ethos and code of conduct the world established to avoid another global conflagration.

In our relations with Russia, we also simply cannot be punitive. We have to listen to their grievances with an open mind, and take them into consideration. That is generally the basis for improving relations, trust, and cooperation between nation-states.
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Fact checkers is absolute garbage. does not mention Javelin missiles to Donbass militias,or NATO forward positioning.
you post is fairly sane
 
"Lindsey will be labeled a RINO" TW #5
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"RINO is the term for a Republican who puts country above party." rjhenn
"How many times do we have to sanction Russia over their alleged hacking and troll meddling?" DO #6
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As the offenses accumulate, the penalties multiply.

BUT !!

Perhaps you agree with me that U.S. officials make themselves look impotent playing the victim role here.

Instead of:

- Ohh Vlady Poot !! Stop doing that !! -

They should clean up their act, and lock the Russians and the Chinese out!

However, the Facebook issue is a somewhat different matter.
"And why didn’t Obama sanction Russia when he knew what was going on. Why is it up to Trump to do everything?" DO
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I believe he did.
And I believe they were severe, on par with the offense they punished, the annexation of Crimea.

BUT !!

It seems Putin is $skimming, and may be one of the $richest men in the world. The harm the Obama sanctions caused is suffered by lower ranking Russians; not Putin, not the oligarchs that keep Putin in power.
"Here’s why: the Left doesn’t really care about Russia and amusingly, they actually think that’s a secret." DO
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You're explaining the reason for a falsehood. Obama sanctioned Russia for both Crimea, and Ukraine.
" We are supposed to forget they mocked Romney over Russia. " DO
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That's news to me, though you're welcome to quote such mockery, with attribute.

iirc Candidate Romney said Russia was a threat. But the warning was vague, and Crimea hadn't yet been annexed, and Russia's involvement in Syria hadn't yet rubbed the U.S. raw.
 
"A recent Gallup Poll determined that 1% of Americans are concerned about "Russian collusion."" CO #14
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What matters?

Is it the violation of law?

Or is it whether public opinion expresses "concern"?
 
Cypress said:
Has Donald Trump 'been much tougher on Russia' than Barack Obama?
Fact Checkers rate this claim "Mostly False".
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...nald-trump-been-much-tougher-russia-barack-o/

Trump fought against bipartisan congressional efforts to sanction Russia - thus virtue-signaling his Masters in the Kremlin that he was not interested in enforcing sanctions against them.


With respect to L. Graham - I do not know what "severely punish" means. I cannot get my head around what he means by "severe".
And Punishment is a word you use for ill-behaved children. It is an insult to use it on a nation-state of 200 million people. Russians are a proud people, and talking about "punishing" them is counter-productive.
Words matter. Especially in global diplomacy, international relations, and geopolitics.
Punitive measures against Russia need to be proportional, as opposed to "severe". Not only for meddling in our election, but for the illegal invasion and occupation of Ukraine, which violated every tenet of post-World War 2 ethos and code of conduct the world established to avoid another global conflagration.

In our relations with Russia, we also simply cannot be punitive. We have to listen to their grievances with an open mind, and take them into consideration. That is generally the basis for improving relations, trust, and cooperation between nation-states.
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It is most unfortunate that they continue to re-elect Putin.
 
sear said:
What matters?

Is it the violation of law?

Or is it whether public opinion expresses "concern"?
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What matters is that public attention be diverted away from the societal wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution to the aristocracy; our industrial ruling political class.
 
Phantasmal said:
It is most unfortunate that they continue to re-elect Putin.
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I agree.

He has a substantial base of support - much like Trump in our country - but Russia does not have a free press, viable opposition parties, or free and fair elections. So I do not really consider Putin a democratically-elected leader.
 
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