Selling Syria vis–à–vis Iran / N. Korea

[blackascoal]

This is NOT just about the chem weapons, the CIA is training up the "rebels".

and now US military advisors are getting into this - we're getting sucked IN!!

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021764602_syriatrainersxml.html##Static
U.S. may use military to train Syrian rebels
The new discussions center on whether the U.S. military should take over the mission from the CIA so that hundreds or thousands can be trained, rather than just dozens


SYRIA:
Syrian government troops battled al-Qaida-linked rebels for a second day over the regime-held Christian village of Maaloula in western Syria. Rami Abdul-Rahman, the director of the Britain-based Observatory for Human Rights, said the fighters included members of the of al-Qaida affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra group

Now this ..

Pentagon Is Ordered to Expand Potential Targets in Syria With a Focus on Forces

WASHINGTON — President Obama has directed the Pentagon to develop an expanded list of potential targets in Syria in response to intelligence suggesting that the government of President Bashar al-Assad has been moving troops and equipment used to employ chemical weapons while Congress debates whether to authorize military action.

Mr. Obama, officials said, is now determined to put more emphasis on the “degrade” part of what the administration has said is the goal of a military strike against Syria — to “deter and degrade” Mr. Assad’s ability to use chemical weapons. That means expanding beyond the 50 or so major sites that were part of the original target list developed with French forces before Mr. Obama delayed action on Saturday to seek Congressional approval of his plan.

For the first time, the administration is talking about using American and French aircraft to conduct strikes on specific targets, in addition to ship-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles. There is a renewed push to get other NATO forces involved.

The strikes would be aimed not at the chemical stockpiles themselves — risking a potential catastrophe — but rather the military units that have stored and prepared the chemical weapons and carried the attacks against Syrian rebels, as well as the headquarters overseeing the effort, and the rockets and artillery that have launched the attacks, military officials said Thursday.

more
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/w...-targets-in-syria-with-a-focus-on-forces.html

Translation: Dead innocent civilians and a greatly expanded war.

 

[Annie]

First the advisors, then the bombs, then the boots on the ground, boy, oes that sound way too familiar!

The administration says the bombing would be to punish Assad for the use of chemical weapons, though he did not do so when done previously.

Desh 'hears' that the bombings will destroy Assad's ability to use those chemical weapons, which to the best of my knowledge is not the actual mission, which is to 'punish' and 'deter future use.' To actually do what Desh thinks is going to happen, would require boots.

 

[Phantasmal]

What about a cyber attack, hit his command and control? What about a trial for war crimes? What about humanitarian aid and encouraging arms dealers not to sell munitions to Syria?

 

[Big Money]

What about a cyber attack, hit his command and control? What about a trial for war crimes? What about humanitarian aid and encouraging arms dealers not to sell munitions to Syria?

Which of those are you accusing Obama of?

 

[Annie]

What about a cyber attack, hit his command and control? What about a trial for war crimes? What about humanitarian aid and encouraging arms dealers not to sell munitions to Syria?

Any and all are certainly diplomatic tactics that the UN could consider. But the 'US' drew a red line...which the administration argues means bombing. Why?

 

[anatta]

Translation: Dead innocent civilians and a greatly expanded war.

looks full blown to me.
Command and Control/actual forces attacked/ "degrading" (infrastructure) /NATO -not much left -fullscale

 

[anatta]

Any and all are certainly diplomatic tactics that the UN could consider. But the 'US' drew a red line...which the administration argues means bombing. Why?

the $200,000,000+ question (minimal estimates just for stand off weapons)

 

[anatta]

What about a cyber attack, hit his command and control? What about a trial for war crimes? What about humanitarian aid and encouraging arms dealers not to sell munitions to Syria?

cyber might not help -the chems are just artillery, or rockets ( not sure).

we will hit command and control -count on it - Iran is sending arms, just as Saudia Arabia is to the 'rebels" ( no charge)

 

[Big Money]

Obama has admitted he couldn't sell his attack plan to the international community.

 

[evince]

Any and all are certainly diplomatic tactics that the UN could consider. But the 'US' drew a red line...which the administration argues means bombing. Why?

so that neither Ass sad or the rebels end up in control of chemical weapons and a delivery system.


why do you want them to have them after people have been gassed already?

 

[evince]

cyber might not help -the chems are just artillery, or rockets ( not sure).

we will hit command and control -count on it - Iran is sending arms, just as Saudia Arabia is to the 'rebels" ( no charge)

sure are talking a lot about shit you don't know about

they are stored separately so they don't degrade

 

[evince]

The administration says the bombing would be to punish Assad for the use of chemical weapons, though he did not do so when done previously.

Desh 'hears' that the bombings will destroy Assad's ability to use those chemical weapons, which to the best of my knowledge is not the actual mission, which is to 'punish' and 'deter future use.' To actually do what Desh thinks is going to happen, would require boots.

Your lying about me again .

your so fucking low you leave snail trails.

Its NOT to punish him its to prevent ANY of the worlds dictators seeing they can just gas their people to keep control.

your such an evil lying asshole

 

[anatta]

sure are talking a lot about shit you don't know about

they are stored separately so they don't degrade

that would be the stockpiles, but they still have to be weaponized.
No. I'm far from an expert on chem weapons, i jut know the stockpiles have to go into a rocket casing, or artillery shell

 

[Phantasmal]

that would be the stockpiles, but they still have to be weaponized.
No. I'm far from an expert on chem weapons, i jut know the stockpiles have to go into a rocket casing, or artillery shell

Or be blown up

 

[Montessa]

This could actually have been an effective argument, if the administration had shown seriousness regarding Iran and No. Korea in the past. Alas, just as for the past two years regarding Syria's slaughter of its own people, they've only now and again ratcheted up their rhetoric from time-to-time, then looked the other way. The 'red line' line, happened during one of those hyperbolic off the cuff remarks.

If this were about 'punishment' for the chemical weapons, we'd be using the UN for sanctions, using language to keep Russia from supplying the weapons. Instead the administration is arguing for bombing the same folks that survived the chemical attacks. Brilliant.

This is exactly true! Going to the UN is what this president came into office believing in as pertains to humanitarian conflicts. The hypocrisy from Obama reeks of desperation. This march to war from a leader who is more useless than tits on a bull and as ineffective as a gnat in creating sound policy!