Segregation now, segregation forever!

Jarod said:
Dixie said...

The truth, as ugly as it may be, is that every politician prior to 1965, is responsible for supporting segregationist policy, because they DID! Repeatedly! For a century, every president, every Congress, and every Judge they appointed, upheld and maintained a system of complete and total segregation in America!


No one in their right political mind, in 1948, would have been opposed to segregation!

Throughout history, there have not been people in political power, advocating change in our segregationist policy, prior to 1963! It doesn't exist, because black people were shut out of the political process, and it was not an issue, it was presumed and assumed you supported and condoned segregationist policy, because that was how things were in America. No one stood up and said it was bad! Everyone accepted it, and continued to condone it!


there were people in 1864 who thought slaves were equal to whites! Unfortunately, NONE of them were political figures, or able to be political figures, because the overwhelming majority of an ALL WHITE electorate, fundamentally disagreed with them!

They didn't engage in political debate on the issue! They didn't campaign or advocate for the issue! They didn't put the issue in their national platforms! It may not signify support for segregationist policies, but it sure doesn't imply there was a fight against them. You can say that "plenty opposed" the status quot when it came to segregation, but it wasn't "plenty" or the law would have changed, politicians would have campaigned on the issue, people would have initiated change, had that been the case. Let's tell the truth, shall we? Aside from a few black activists and a few pinhead liberal elites, no one in America was advocating against segregation until the early 60s.

I have not denied there were activists speaking out against segregation, I made that abundantly clear 50 posts back, it's not what I have said. Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue. That is the truth, that is how things were in America. You can deny that, and claim it wasn't the case, but it most certainly was.


The history of the struggle is, for nearly 100 years, there was no struggle, segregation was accepted and condoned, and affixed in our society by the politicians, congress, judges, and any other positions of authority, which were all controlled by white people!


With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.


No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....

We had NO Congressmen who were the least bit concerned with giving black people a completely desegregated society! NONE! If you can cite any example prior to WWII, I would love to see it! Truth is, it doesn't exist!


Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue.

From the time of the Civil War until after WWII, the overwhelming majority of people in America, were supportive of the segregation policies. No one in political power, or seeking political power, was advocating desegregation. This went on for decades, Congress after Congress, Supreme Court after Supreme Court, President after President!

No one in political power or running for any high-level political office, supported, condoned, or advocated desegregation, prior to WWII. If you have ANY example, please post it!

The challenge still stands... Show me any political leader who was openly advocating public desegregation prior to 1964! Just one example?

You can read what you want to into my comments, you haven't given us any examples of public legislation to desegregate anything yet. No presidents or Congressional leaders advocating it, nothing... save for an instance of Truman desegregating the military in 1948, you have nothing. There is no verbal snafu, just as there is no record of Congress supporting desegregation for nearly a century. You can try to hide from that or live in denial of it if you like, I can't change the mind of a bigot, and I won't try.


I've already told you, I am never wrong!

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To which I say, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875!

To all of the ABOVE I point out the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875! A bill passed by CONGRESS that made segregation illegal and instituted a fine for segregating, in fact it went further than the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964 because it prevented even private orginizations from segregating.

This act was written by ELECTED CONGRESSMEN, am MAJORITY PASSED THE BILL after it was supported and campaigned on!

Dont they teach this stuff in Alabama?

Dixie, to prevent further embarrasment of yourself enroll in an American History Class before you speak up again!
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Jarod said:
Funny in the laugh at him not with him kinda way!
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What is funny is how you keep bumping this thread like you've somehow won the debate! As if you've actually presented something that destroyed my point! I hate to break it to you, but just about any Civil Rights activist in America can tell you that we've not had Civil Rights since 1875, and that particular CRA was as worthless as the racists who passed it into law. It was never enforced, and ironically, was often used to legally justify segregation policies! It was the primary basis in legal argument for the "equal" part of "separate but equal."

I've contemplated just playing dumb here... sometimes the best way to deal with stupidity is to "out dumb" it! I've thought about just saying, you know what Jarhead, you're right and I'm wrong... Liberals have stood firmly against segregation since 1875, and it's only been people of the South who stood in the way of that, in spite of the CRA of 1875, which they just got away with violating for 100 years, against the overwhelming will of the American public! The problem with me playing dumb and admitting that absurdity is, you would probably believe me, and think I was conceding the argument to you and admitting I was wrong. That is just how profoundly retarded and stupid you are.

So what I have decided to do instead, is to let you continue to bump this thread, and I encourage you all to read through it, digest the points that have been made, and make up your own minds about what I've stated. I can live with my position because I know my position is based on reality and legitimate facts, while your position is that of ignorance and absurdity.

Carry On!
 
Jarod said:
Dixie said...

The truth, as ugly as it may be, is that every politician prior to 1965, is responsible for supporting segregationist policy, because they DID! Repeatedly! For a century, every president, every Congress, and every Judge they appointed, upheld and maintained a system of complete and total segregation in America!


No one in their right political mind, in 1948, would have been opposed to segregation!

Throughout history, there have not been people in political power, advocating change in our segregationist policy, prior to 1963! It doesn't exist, because black people were shut out of the political process, and it was not an issue, it was presumed and assumed you supported and condoned segregationist policy, because that was how things were in America. No one stood up and said it was bad! Everyone accepted it, and continued to condone it!


there were people in 1864 who thought slaves were equal to whites! Unfortunately, NONE of them were political figures, or able to be political figures, because the overwhelming majority of an ALL WHITE electorate, fundamentally disagreed with them!

They didn't engage in political debate on the issue! They didn't campaign or advocate for the issue! They didn't put the issue in their national platforms! It may not signify support for segregationist policies, but it sure doesn't imply there was a fight against them. You can say that "plenty opposed" the status quot when it came to segregation, but it wasn't "plenty" or the law would have changed, politicians would have campaigned on the issue, people would have initiated change, had that been the case. Let's tell the truth, shall we? Aside from a few black activists and a few pinhead liberal elites, no one in America was advocating against segregation until the early 60s.

I have not denied there were activists speaking out against segregation, I made that abundantly clear 50 posts back, it's not what I have said. Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue. That is the truth, that is how things were in America. You can deny that, and claim it wasn't the case, but it most certainly was.


The history of the struggle is, for nearly 100 years, there was no struggle, segregation was accepted and condoned, and affixed in our society by the politicians, congress, judges, and any other positions of authority, which were all controlled by white people!


With regard to political leaders, congressmen who could effectively change laws, presidents, judges, etc.... there were essentially NONE! From 1864 to 1964, the number of such leaders can be counted on less than one hand! For you to keep insisting this was not the case, is laughable and foolish.


No politician was out there "pushing for" desegregation and racial equality! It just wasn't happening in the real world! To a fault, every damn one of them were either promoting segregation, or tacitly accepting of it...a 'necessary evil', or whatever. None of them stood up to challenge it or speak against it... for 100 years! Well, almost 100, anyway....

We had NO Congressmen who were the least bit concerned with giving black people a completely desegregated society! NONE! If you can cite any example prior to WWII, I would love to see it! Truth is, it doesn't exist!


Our society as a whole, including ALL the political representatives we elected to office, held a view condoning segregation, or tacitly refused to take a firm stand on the issue.

From the time of the Civil War until after WWII, the overwhelming majority of people in America, were supportive of the segregation policies. No one in political power, or seeking political power, was advocating desegregation. This went on for decades, Congress after Congress, Supreme Court after Supreme Court, President after President!

No one in political power or running for any high-level political office, supported, condoned, or advocated desegregation, prior to WWII. If you have ANY example, please post it!

The challenge still stands... Show me any political leader who was openly advocating public desegregation prior to 1964! Just one example?

You can read what you want to into my comments, you haven't given us any examples of public legislation to desegregate anything yet. No presidents or Congressional leaders advocating it, nothing... save for an instance of Truman desegregating the military in 1948, you have nothing. There is no verbal snafu, just as there is no record of Congress supporting desegregation for nearly a century. You can try to hide from that or live in denial of it if you like, I can't change the mind of a bigot, and I won't try.


I've already told you, I am never wrong!

----------------------------------

To which I say, CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875!

To all of the ABOVE I point out the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875! A bill passed by CONGRESS that made segregation illegal and instituted a fine for segregating, in fact it went further than the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964 because it prevented even private orginizations from segregating.

This act was written by ELECTED CONGRESSMEN, am MAJORITY PASSED THE BILL after it was supported and campaigned on!

Dont they teach this stuff in Alabama?

Dixie, to prevent further embarrasment of yourself enroll in an American History Class before you speak up again!
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UNREFUTED!
 
Dixie said:
What is funny is how you keep bumping this thread like you've somehow won the debate! As if you've actually presented something that destroyed my point! I hate to break it to you, but just about any Civil Rights activist in America can tell you that we've not had Civil Rights since 1875, and that particular CRA was as worthless as the racists who passed it into law. It was never enforced, and ironically, was often used to legally justify segregation policies! It was the primary basis in legal argument for the "equal" part of "separate but equal."

I've contemplated just playing dumb here... sometimes the best way to deal with stupidity is to "out dumb" it! I've thought about just saying, you know what Jarhead, you're right and I'm wrong... Liberals have stood firmly against segregation since 1875, and it's only been people of the South who stood in the way of that, in spite of the CRA of 1875, which they just got away with violating for 100 years, against the overwhelming will of the American public! The problem with me playing dumb and admitting that absurdity is, you would probably believe me, and think I was conceding the argument to you and admitting I was wrong. That is just how profoundly retarded and stupid you are.

So what I have decided to do instead, is to let you continue to bump this thread, and I encourage you all to read through it, digest the points that have been made, and make up your own minds about what I've stated. I can live with my position because I know my position is based on reality and legitimate facts, while your position is that of ignorance and absurdity.

Carry On!
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I never said we have had civil rights since 1875, I said we have had elected officials fighting for civil rights as far back as 1875.
 
Dixie said:
What is funny is how you keep bumping this thread like you've somehow won the debate! As if you've actually presented something that destroyed my point! I hate to break it to you, but just about any Civil Rights activist in America can tell you that we've not had Civil Rights since 1875, and that particular CRA was as worthless as the racists who passed it into law. It was never enforced, and ironically, was often used to legally justify segregation policies! It was the primary basis in legal argument for the "equal" part of "separate but equal."

I've contemplated just playing dumb here... sometimes the best way to deal with stupidity is to "out dumb" it! I've thought about just saying, you know what Jarhead, you're right and I'm wrong... Liberals have stood firmly against segregation since 1875, and it's only been people of the South who stood in the way of that, in spite of the CRA of 1875, which they just got away with violating for 100 years, against the overwhelming will of the American public! The problem with me playing dumb and admitting that absurdity is, you would probably believe me, and think I was conceding the argument to you and admitting I was wrong. That is just how profoundly retarded and stupid you are.

So what I have decided to do instead, is to let you continue to bump this thread, and I encourage you all to read through it, digest the points that have been made, and make up your own minds about what I've stated. I can live with my position because I know my position is based on reality and legitimate facts, while your position is that of ignorance and absurdity.

Carry On!
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Northern manufacturers recruited throughout the South and an exodus ensued.[4] By 1919, it was estimated that 500,000 African Americans had emigrated from the South to the industrial cities of the North and Midwest during World War I.[1] African-American workers filled new positions as well as many jobs formerly held by whites. In some cities, they were hired as strikebreakers, especially during strikes of 1917.[4] This increased resentment and suspicion among whites, especially the working class. Following the war, rapid demobilization and the removal of price controls led to inflation and unemployment that increased competition for jobs.

During the Red Scare of 1919-20 following the Russian Revolution, anti-Bolsehvik sentiment quickly replaced the anti-German sentiment of the World War I years. Many politicians and government officials, along with a large part of the press and the public, feared an imminent attempt to overthrow the government of the United States and the creation of a new regime modeled on that of the Soviets. In that atmosphere of public hysteria, radical views as well as moderate dissents were often characterized as un-American or subversive, including the advocacy of racial equality, of labor rights, or even the rights of victims of mob violence to defend themselves. Close ties between recent European immigrants and radical political ideas and organizations fed those anxieties as well.
 
On July 3, The 10th U.S. Cavalry, a segregated African-American unit founded in 1866, was attacked by local police in Bisbee, Arizona.[6]

In Washington, D.C., white men, many in military uniforms, responded to the rumored arrest of a black man for rape with 4 days of mob violence, rioting and beatings of random black people on the street. When police refused to intervene, the black population fought back. Troops tried to restore order as the city closed saloons and theaters to discourage assemblies. A summer rainstorm had more of an effect. When the violence ended, 10 whites were dead, including 2 police officers, and 5 blacks. Some 150 people had been the victims of attacks.
 
The NAACP sent a telegram to President Wilson to point out:[8]

...the shame put upon the country by the mobs, including United States soldiers, sailors, and marines, which have assaulted innocent and unoffending negroes in the national capital. Men in uniform have attacked negroes on the streets and pulled them from streetcars to beat them. Crowds are reported ...to have directed attacks against any passing negro....The effect of such riots in the national capital upon race antagonism will be to increase bitterness and danger of outbreaks elsewhere. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People calls upon you as President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the nation to make statement condemning mob violence and to enforce such military law as situation demands.
 
The summer's greatest violence occurred during rioting in Chicago starting on July 27. Chicago's beaches along Lake Michigan were segregated in practice, if not by law. A black youth who swam into the area customarily reserved for whites was stoned and drowned. Blacks responded violently when the police refused to take action. Violence between mobs and gangs lasted 13 days. The resulting 38 fatalities included 23 blacks and 15 whites. Injuries numbered 537 injured, and 1,000 black families were left homeless.[9] Some 50 people were reported dead. Unofficial numbers were much higher. Hundreds of mostly black homes and businesses on the South Side were destroyed by mobs, and a militia force of several thousand was called in to restore order.
 
At the end of July the Northeastern Federation of Colored Women's Clubs, from their Providence, Rhode Island convention, denounced the rioting and burning of negroes' homes then happening in Chicago and asked Wilson "to use every means within your power to stop the rioting in Chicago and the propaganda used to incite such."[10] At the end of August the NAACP protested again, noting the attack on the organization's secretary in Austin, Texas the previous week. Their telegram said: "The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People respectfully enquires how long the Federal Government under your administration intends to tolerate anarchy in the United States?"
 
The Omaha Race Riot occurred in Omaha, Nebraska, on 28-September 29, 1919. The race riot resulted in the brutal lynching of Will Brown, a black worker; the death of two white men; the attempted hanging of the mayor Edward Parsons Smith; and a public rampage by thousands of whites who set fire to the Douglas County Courthouse in downtown Omaha. It followed more than 20 race riots that occurred in major industrial cities of the United States during the Red Summer of 1919.
 
The Tulsa race riot, also known as the 1921 race riot, the night that Tulsa died, the Tulsa Race War, or the Greenwood riot, was a massacre during a large-scale civil disorder confined mainly to the racially segregated Greenwood neighborhood of Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA on May 31, 1921. During the 16 hours of rioting, over 800 people were admitted to local hospitals with injuries, an estimated 10,000 were left homeless, 35 city blocks composed of 1,256 residences were destroyed by fire, and $1.8 million (about $21.7 million in 2009 dollars) in property damage was caused.

Officially, thirty-nine people were reported killed in the riot, of whom ten were white. The actual number of black citizens killed by local white militiamen and others as a result of the riot was estimated in the Red Cross report[1][2] at around 300, making the Tulsa race riot the worst in US history. Other estimates range as high as 3,000, based on the number of grave diggers and other circumstances, although the archaeological and forensic work needed to confirm the number of dead has not been performed.[3]
 
The Harlem Riot of 1935 was Harlem's first race riot, sparked off by rumors of the beating of a teenage shoplifter. Three died, hundreds were wounded and an estimated $2 million in damages were sustained to properties throughout the district, with African-American owned homes and businesses spared the worst of the destruction.[1]

At 2:30 in the afternoon on March 19, 1935, an employee at the Kress Five and Ten store at 256 W. 125th Street[2] (just across the street from the Apollo Theater) caught 16-year-old Puerto Rican Lino Rivera shoplifting a 10-cent penknife. When his captor threatened to take Rivera into the store's basement and "beat the hell out of him," Rivera bit the employee's hand. The manager intervened and the police were called, but Rivera was eventually released. In the meantime, a crowd had begun to gather outside around a woman who had witnessed Rivera's apprehension and was shouting that Rivera was being beaten. When an ambulance showed up to treat the wounds of the employee who had been bitten, it appeared to confirm the woman's story, and when the crowd took notice of a hearse parked outside of the store, the rumor began to circulate that Rivera had been beaten to death. The woman who had raised the alarm was arrested for disorderly conduct, the Kress Five and Ten store was closed early, and the crowd was dispersed.
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In the early evening, groups organized by the Young Communist League and a militant African-American civil rights group called the Young Liberators mounted a demonstration outside the store that quickly drew thousands of people. Handbills were distributed: One was headlined "CHILD BRUTALLY BEATEN". Another denounced "the brutal beating of the 12 year old boy [...] for taking a piece of candy."

At some point, someone threw a rock, shattering the window of the Kress Five and Ten store, and the destruction and looting began to spread east and west on 125th Street, targeting white-owned businesses between Fifth and Eighth Avenues. Some stores posted signs that read "COLORED STORE" or "COLORED HELP EMPLOYED HERE". In the early hours of the morning, as the rioting spread north and south, Lino Rivera was picked up from his mother's apartment and photographed with a police officer. The photographs were distributed in order to prove that Rivera had not been harmed. New York Mayor Fiorello La Guardia also had posters drawn up urging a return to peace.
 
Okay, we've covered 1917-1935... and it doesn't appear CRA of 1875 is working... so where are these stalwarts of racial equality in our political leaders? What is our government doing to actively tackle the problem? History shows us there was a problem, and I have argued that it was never addressed. It was accepted, it was condoned, for many many years in America.
 
I never said the CRA of 1875 ended segregation, I said it was an attempt.

You said.... Noone was for segregation and I said... Yes look at CRA of 1875....
 
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