SCOTUS to decide if you can have a Yard Sale...

Damocles

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CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Tucked into the U.S. Supreme Court’s busy agenda this fall is a little-known case that could upend your ability to resell everything from your grandmother’s antique furniture to your iPhone 4.

At issue in Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons is the first-sale doctrine in copyright law, which allows you to buy and then sell things like electronics, books, artwork and furniture as well as CDs and DVDs, without getting permission from the copyright holder of those products.

Under the doctrine, which the Supreme Court has recognized since 1908, you can resell your stuff without worry because the copyright holder only had control over the first sale.

Put simply, though Apple has the copyright on the iPhone and Mark Owen does on the book “No Easy Day,” you can still sell your copies to whomever you please whenever you want without retribution.

That’s being challenged now for products that are made abroad and if the Supreme Court upholds an appellate court ruling it would mean that the copyright holders of anything you own that has been made in China, Japan or Europe, for example, would have to give you permission to sell it.

“It means that it’s harder for consumers to buy used products and harder for them to sell them,” said Jonathan Bland, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University Law Center, who filed a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of the American Library Association, the Association of College and Research Libraries and the Association for Research Libraries. “This has huge consumer impact on all consumer groups.”

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i can't believe a district court and an appellate court found it violated copyright laws. if you read the whole story, this stems from an enterprising student who discovered that textbooks sold in thailand by Wiley, were far cheaper than purchasing the textbook in the US. so, the student gets his relatives to send him books here and he sells them on ebay etc making a million dollars.

i see no problem with this. wiley made their money and if this guy can buy them over there and then ship them here and make money, so be it. textbooks are outrageously overpriced.
 
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I cannot find where the appeals court was able to determine the 'first point of sale' had to be in the US for resell to be legal. Did they just make that shit up?
 
I cannot find where the appeals court was able to determine the 'first point of sale' had to be in the US for resell to be legal. Did they just make that shit up?

In a case of first impression in our Court, we hold (1) that the first sale doctrine, 30 which allows a person who buys a legally produced copyrighted work to sell or otherwise dispose of the 31 work as he sees fit, does not apply to works manufactured outside of the United States, and (2) that the
32 District Court did not err in its evidentiary rulings.

apparently they did, i'm reviewing it now. interestingly, the lower court was decided by a JURY
 
Authorized for sale in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East Only.

^ that appears to the be the issue ^

these books are manufactured over there and authorized for sale only overseas. i thought they were manufactured here and shipped over there. after reading that, i think scotus will uphold the decision. but limit its application.

and really, this isn't a garage sale issue damo...this guy made over a million dollars, i seriously doubt they would go after resellers who sold a copy or two.
 
Authorized for sale in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East Only.

^ that appears to the be the issue ^

these books are manufactured over there and authorized for sale only overseas. i thought they were manufactured here and shipped over there. after reading that, i think scotus will uphold the decision. but limit its application.

and really, this isn't a garage sale issue damo...this guy made over a million dollars, i seriously doubt they would go after resellers who sold a copy or two.
many is the time i've seen products labeled 'not for resale'. was any of this specified for these text books? because you could make the argument that they WERE sold in Asia and be legit.
 
many is the time i've seen products labeled 'not for resale'. was any of this specified for these text books? because you could make the argument that they WERE sold in Asia and be legit.

if you read what they claim is in their textbooks, it says only authorized for sale overseas...i'm not sure US copyright law would apply as the copyright law they use is not US copyright law. the issue is whether the broader US copyright law applies or does the US copyright law apply even if a US copyright law is not at issue.

after reading the appellate decision, i think scotus is going to uphold their ruling, but hopefully will limit it and explain it.

your argument makes some sense, however, if the copyright law for the book purchased overseas does not allow sale in the US, i don't believe it would be legit to resell to the US.
 
how does this relate to yard sales in general

also, are the textbooks legal copies of us textbooks or pirated versions
 
how does this relate to yard sales in general

also, are the textbooks legal copies of us textbooks or pirated versions

as i noted above...it doesn't relate to yard sales and the appellate decision says they are books copyrighted for overseas sales only. so, not pirated versions.
 
as i noted above...it doesn't relate to yard sales and the appellate decision says they are books copyrighted for overseas sales only. so, not pirated versions.

did you see my post on lactose intolerance and medications that use milk sugar in them
 
Eh the textbook people are lucky people are buying at all. A good amount of the students I know just pirate them offline anyway.
 
Apparently they're trying to apply some sort of regional price discrimination. However, that's usually not something enforced by the government.
 
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