SCOTUS protects marriage equality

[gfm7175]

There was no Garden of Eden.

If the Bible is true (and I believe that it is), then there definitely was a Garden of Eden.

That is a silly argument.

No, it isn't. It's a completely logical argument.

There are 4000 religions on the planet.

So?

Christianity is no better than most of the others.

There's quite a bit of evidence for the veracity of Christianity.

Bronze Age books are worthless in science.

... because religion isn't science (and science isn't religion).

 

[gfm7175]

For example, if your neighbor works on the Sabbath, you should kill him. If your new wife isn't a virgin, you should kill her.

Have you ever spent time studying any of those Old Testament laws, learning about why they were implemented?

Except that the so-called loving father creates the rules for salvation vs damnation and then tricked his kids into failing to meet those rules,

God is not Satan, ZenMode...

while KNOWING they would fail even before he made them.

He also knew that they would be redeemed into life everlasting if they accepted the gift of salvation by grace through faith.

Feel the love.

I do.

I'm not in the slightest bit worthy to be called God's child. Despite any of my best efforts, I continue to sin against God, sometimes by habit and other times by choice. I am like a lost sheep, straying from the narrow path, getting myself lost and unable to find my way back home. Yet, whenever I stray from the narrow path, Jesus (the Good Shepherd) actively seeks me out, finds me, places me on his shoulders, and carries me back home. Additionally, as an ultimate display of Jesus being the 'Good Shepherd', he was even willing to go so far as to lay down his life for his sheep. He gave up his life in order to save mine.

So yes, I do feel the love.

 

[gfm7175]

The garden of Eden. God, by virtue of the fact that he knows everything and is surprised by nothing, knew Adam and Eve would fail before they failed. He orchestrated The Fall. Why? Pretty fucked up for a "Loving Father" to pull some shit like that isn't it?

God also knew that mankind would be redeemed through Jesus.
Salvation... received by grace, through faith.

 

[gfm7175]

So marriage depends of children?

???

Marriage is the holy union between a man and a woman (which is the only gender combination by which procreation is possible)

 

[AProudLefty]

???

Marriage is the holy union between a man and a woman (which is the only gender combination by which procreation is possible)

That is your religious interpretation of the Bible.

 

[gfm7175]

What was the plan of the fall?

Into The Night already told you, but I'll further elaborate.

The Fall was made possible by the existence of free will.
The Fall made it possible to experience life and death, love and hatred, and to ultimately choose between good and evil.
The Fall meant that redemption would be necessary, but God had already planned for Jesus to redeem mankind.

The Fall has a number of immediate consequences, but it also has a number of ultimate benefits. You and I both exist as a result of it. You and I can now come to know what true love is because of it, and mankind can now love God in a manner that involves full knowledge and experience of what God's 'goodness' and 'love' truly are.

 

[ZenMode]

Have you ever spent time studying any of those Old Testament laws, learning about why they were implemented?

Oh, so you believe that killing your neighbor for working on the Sabbath, or for wearing clothes made of two different materials or your wife for not being a virgin actually makes sense in any point in time?

God is not Satan, ZenMode...

His actions seem to say otherwise.

He also knew that they would be redeemed into life everlasting if they accepted the gift of salvation by grace through faith.

Who would? The select number of people who happened to live in the tiny portion of the middle east where Jesus message could reach them? What about the rest of the people in the world, particularly those who already lived somewhere that had an established religion for thousands of years before Jesus? They're screwed, just as all the Hindus, Muslims, etc are today because, by no fault of their own they happened to be born in a part of the world where their parents taught them the wrong religion.

Yah.. lots of love.

 

[ZenMode]

God also knew that mankind would be redeemed through Jesus.
Salvation... received by grace, through faith.

Well, about a third of mankind because, as I mentioned earlier, God revealed is "son" to a tiny portion of the middle east, long after much of the rest of the world already had established religion.

 

[gfm7175]

Oh, so you believe that killing your neighbor for working on the Sabbath, or for wearing clothes made of two different materials or your wife for not being a virgin actually makes sense in any point in time?

You didn't answer the question that I asked you. --- Have you ever spent time studying any of those Old Testament laws, learning about why they were implemented?

His actions seem to say otherwise.

You can't distinguish between God and Satan?

Who would?

I would.

The select number of people who happened to live in the tiny portion of the middle east where Jesus message could reach them?

Yes.

What about the rest of the people in the world, particularly those who already lived somewhere that had an established religion for thousands of years before Jesus?

The same applies to them, too.

They're screwed,

On their own, yes.
With Jesus, no.

just as all the Hindus, Muslims, etc are today

On their own, yes.
With Jesus, no.

because, by no fault of their own they happened to be born in a part of the world where their parents taught them the wrong religion.

Would a perfect judge take such circumstances into consideration?
Have those people also heard about Jesus and what he did for them?

Yah.. lots of love.

Yes, lots of love. I've already described it.

 

[gfm7175]

Well, about a third of mankind because, as I mentioned earlier, God revealed is "son" to a tiny portion of the middle east, long after much of the rest of the world already had established religion.

Has God's Word not spread all across the world since then? You've heard about it... you're not in the Middle East.

 

[AProudLefty]

Mixed fabrics is an abomination. I guess everyone today should be stoned to death.

 

[AProudLefty]

Has God's Word not spread all across the world since then? You've heard about it... you're not in the Middle East.

They tried with the Sentinel island people and failed.

 

[ZenMode]

You didn't answer the question that I asked you. --- Have you ever spent time studying any of those Old Testament laws, learning about why they were implemented?

It doesn't matter. Any attempt to rationalize clearly immoral and psychopathic behavior it fruitless

You can't distinguish between God and Satan?

I would.

Yes.

The same applies to them, too.

On their own, yes.
With Jesus, no.

On their own, yes.
With Jesus, no.

Would a perfect judge take such circumstances into consideration?
Have those people also heard about Jesus and what he did for them?

The Bible is clear that you have to accept Jesus/God to be saved, otherwise your are destroyed in the eternal flames of hell.

So, that being the case, what kind of God waits thousands of years, after most of the occupied world has already established religion, to reveal the savior of the world and why reveal him to only a tiny part of the world and, in doing so, set up most of the world for damnation? Does that sound like a caring father figure?

 

[ZenMode]

Has God's Word not spread all across the world since then? You've heard about it... you're not in the Middle East.

No, it absolutely has not spread across the world. You think the impoverished, barley stay alive day-to-day people of India have heard of Christianity? How ? Are they online on their smartphones? If they have, why would any of them change to Christianity when they were all born into a family/culture of Hinduism? Would you change religion because someone said "If you don't convert to Islam, you're going to burn in hell!"

Of course you wouldn't because you're sure that YOUR religion is the real one, just like every Muslim is sure THEIR religion is the real one.

"But, the Bible says....." Non-Christians don't care about the Bible any more than you care about any other religion's doctrine.

So, explain how God didn't orchestrate the damnation of 66% of the world.

 

[Into the Night]

What was the plan of the fall?

RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

Thanks for confirming your irrationality.

YARP

 

[Into the Night]

It doesn't matter. Any attempt to rationalize clearly immoral and psychopathic behavior it fruitless

The Bible is clear that you have to accept Jesus/God to be saved, otherwise your are destroyed in the eternal flames of hell.

So, that being the case, what kind of God waits thousands of years, after most of the occupied world has already established religion, to reveal the savior of the world and why reveal him to only a tiny part of the world and, in doing so, set up most of the world for damnation? Does that sound like a caring father figure?

What 'eternal flames of hell'?

I don't think you've ever read the Bible.

If you decide to discard the teachings of God and Christ, that is your decision, and like any decision, you are not free of the consequences of it.
Your own selfishness is your own prison.

 

[ZenMode]

What 'eternal flames of hell'?

Are you denying that Jesus references an eternal lake of fire where souls go to be destroyed?

Of course not. Just more words games.

Waste somebody else's time.

I don't think you've ever read the Bible.

FTFY

 

[Into the Night]

That is your religious interpretation of the Bible.

So? What is wrong with him claiming a religion?
The Bible itself describes Christianity.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh, so you believe that killing your neighbor for working on the Sabbath, or for wearing clothes made of two different materials or your wife for not being a virgin actually makes sense in any point in time?

His actions seem to say otherwise.

Who would? The select number of people who happened to live in the tiny portion of the middle east where Jesus message could reach them? What about the rest of the people in the world, particularly those who already lived somewhere that had an established religion for thousands of years before Jesus? They're screwed, just as all the Hindus, Muslims, etc are today because, by no fault of their own they happened to be born in a part of the world where their parents taught them the wrong religion.

Yah.. lots of love.

I see you think the Old Testament applies to you. It doesn't. It describes another people and another time. Presentism fallacy.