Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Everyone in the United States have equal rights under the law. It's covered by the 14th Amendment. Only psychos and enemies of the Constitution claim otherwise.
SCOTUS protects marriage equality
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ZenMode
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You haven't. You keep claiming that civil union and marriage are equal when they aren't.
When that fails, you resort to the ridiculous opinion that gay people have the same rights as straight people, even though they don't. Straight people are able to marry the person that they want to marry while gay people cannot.
And pretending to truly believe you're ridiculous claims doesn't make them any less ridiculous..
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
A slight correction: Anyone can get married. As an ordained minister, I married my dog and cat a few days ago. The problem isn't "getting married". The problem is having the marriage recognized by Federal law in order to garner the 1100+ laws and benefits giving to federally-recognized marriages.
Federal law doesn't recognize the marriage of my dog and cat, which is fine since they are animals. Not recognizing the marriage of an older couple because they can't reproduce or gays for the same reason is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause.
ZenMode
Well-known member
Yep. Churches were doing same-sex wedding ceremonies long before SCOTUS legalized it.
I'm talking about recognition by the state.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Agreed.
I figured you did but wanted to clarify for the MAGA morons because, well, they are fucking morons and slow on the uptake.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
I've asked and I've asked, and nobody, to the best of his knowledge, can think of any difference beyond the labels.
That would include you, by the way.
So let's give you a basic logic and math lesson. No difference is an equality.
You don't have to thank me, and don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff ... or for the easy stuff, for that matter.
Gay people have the same rights as straight people, but their insatiable drive for supremacy makes them bitch and whine and complain and gripe and screech and cry and wail like fucking babies, 24/7, that they are somehow VICTIMS! for having to suffer mere equality with straight people.
I know. Gay people currently enjoy supremacy, and you don't want to lose that standing. Your VICTIMHOOD is what you believe gives you your elevated status, and so you push it 24/7. What you don't realize is that you and your 24/7 VICTIMHOOD are simply annoying, and you stupidly align yourself with a political party that HATES you as a sexual FREAK who they would prefer would just drop dead in a gutter somewhere. If anything can be said of the vast majority of gay people is that they are the most gullible people on the planet.
Marriage is simply a civil union option, I.e. a man and a woman specifically. If you are a gay man who wants to enter into a civil union with another man, you don't get the "marriage" option, you get the standard civil union. If you eat at a seafood restaurant and you won't eat swordfish, don't get the swordfish option, just get the standard seafood platter.
Your VICTIMHOOD really is annoying...and no, I will not advocate for your supremacy.
ZenMode
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If there’s no difference, why label them differently?
Once you answer that, actually answer that question, I’ll respond to the rest.
Yakuda
Verified User
No it fails because AGAIN want has nothing to do with it. In most elections there is anyone I want to vote for but I select the lesser of two evils.
Yakuda
Verified User
So you're answer is a no. Figured
Yakuda
Verified User
Irrelevant. One of their arguments was straight people got benefits from marriage that they didn't.
ZenMode
Well-known member
Your personal opinion is irrelevant because you only have one option under the law.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
... IN PRINCIPLE, yes. (IOW, only a man and a woman can procreate... a man and a man cannot; a woman and a woman cannot)
You've already posted it in this thread for all to see.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Yakuda
Verified User
Just like straight people. You keep insisting want is a required element to the law. It's not. Straight aren't allowed to marry another person of the same sex, just like gays.
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
AProudLefty
The remora of JPP
So how do I thank them?
You have no dog and you killed your cat...
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
... in actuality. There IS a requirement to reproduce IN PRINCIPLE, though.
Are you capable of representing my position HONESTLY, or do you wish to continue assigning a bogus position to me, simply beating up on a strawman rather than addressing the actual words that I am saying?
Because, IN PRINCIPLE, a man and a woman are capable of procreation (while man/man and woman/woman are NOT capable of such).
Only fucking morons believe that the theoretical complete and total IMPOSSIBILITY to procreate is the exact same thing as the theoretical complete and total POSSIBILITY to procreate.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
You really can't represent even one single person's position accurately, can you?
Civil union and marriage are equal (in legal treatment).
Civil union and marriage are not equal (in identity).
While an orange and an apple are both fruits, they are NOT the SAME fruit.
--- Therefore, you cannot use the word 'apple' to describe an orange.
While civil union and marriage are both legal unions, they are NOT the SAME legal union.
--- Therefore, you cannot use the word 'marriage' to describe a civil union.
What specifically can a "heterosexual person" do that a "homosexual person" cannot do?
What specific right is a "homosexual person" being denied?
FTFY.
ZenMode
Well-known member
Who, by default, have the ability to marry the person they want to.
Unfortunately it is and states were forced by the Supreme Court to do the right thing which is to allow a person to marry whoever they want, regardless of genitals.
Just more word games. Despite your insistence on playing dumb, we both know that straight people don't want to marry someone of the same sex. In other words, straight people get to marry who THEY want while homosexuals don't.
Again, you already know this, but choose to play dumb like @gfm7175 , @IBDaMann , etc
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