SCOTUS deals biggest blow to Liberalism in 100 years!

Dixie said:
I'm pretty sure a supermajority is only needed to INCREASE taxes, not abolish them.

Still, with Obamacare now being deemed "a tax" and not a fundamental right the government can regulate under the commerce clause, it would be difficult to find enough votes to avoid a supermajority call for repeal. Many of the Democrat votes used to pass the bill, were under the impression this was budget-neutral and didn't increase the debt. That's off the table, since now it can't be paid for with Medicare. President Obama himself, said he would not sign it into law if it increased the deficit... well, guess what the court ruling will cause it to necessarily do?

All along, from the very get-go, the idea was... pass this thing... let it stand for a few years, and then no one will be able to get rid of it! Well guess what? That's not going to happen this time! America REJECTS this! They don't want it! A good sizable chunk of them, are energized and ready to go to the mat over this, and plan to turn out in droves to vote in November. Now we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out, but I wouldn't go getting too cocky about this, if I were you. Chances are, Obamacare as we know it, is DONE!
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Premise flawed, dumb.
 
Jarod said:
We did, the ruled only that the penalty portion of the mandate is a tax.
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I suggest you read the ruling again. They found the only way the law can stand, is under Congressional power to tax.

They struck down the argument this was a matter of the commerce clause, and beyond Congress' powers to regulate as such.

They disallowed funding from Medicare or any other appropriated program currently in existence.

The funding for Obamacare can ONLY be a TAX and remain constitutional. That was the ruling.

You get to keep it... but as a TAX.
 
Dixie said:
I suggest you read the ruling again. They found the only way the law can stand, is under Congressional power to tax.

They struck down the argument this was a matter of the commerce clause, and beyond Congress' powers to regulate as such.

They disallowed funding from Medicare or any other appropriated program currently in existence.

The funding for Obamacare can ONLY be a TAX and remain constitutional. That was the ruling.

You get to keep it... but as a TAX.
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You are simply being dumb. They found that the portion challenged, the mandate, only survived under tha taxing authority. Pittafull!
 
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Yurt said:
who said the entire thing was a tax? the large part, the mandate, is a tax according to scotus.....btw...post 34 jarod
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From the thread, "an interesting take"...
 
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Jarod said:
What's to pay for? It does not cost the govt anything. If it did, I don't know how they would pay, but that does not make it a tax!
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So your entire premise is that the Obama Health Care was nothing more then a Government Project that will help no one?
 
Jarod said:
What's to pay for? It does not cost the govt anything. If it did, I don't know how they would pay, but that does not make it a tax!
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What? Let me get this straight.... you believe the 2,200-page bill is nothing more than government regulation which will magically provide health care to 40 million people, and there isn't any cost? Well okay... for the sake of insane argument, let's assume you are right... why did the bill seek to transfer $600 billion in Medicare funding? If it didn't cost anything, why did they need that money? Also, if it was free, why did they seek to require states to use their Medicare funding to pay for the mandates?

What we are seeing is... the things you believe and reality, are two completely different universes.
 
Dixie said:
Here's another aspect to Thursday's ruling, that I think you guys are missing. Since Obamacare is now officially a "tax" ...it means that ANY future Congress can repeal it, as a tax. Health care coverage was NOT determined to be a "right" by the court, and it can't be paid for through appropriations made for other programs, or included in general spending because the court found, it's not covered under the commerce clause.... it's a tax. It can be repealed, and it will be.
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It's highly unlikely it will be repealed. The fact is it's almost an impossibility IF Obama wins in November. By the time '16 rolls around it will be sealed. How do I know? I know because not one country has repealed their health plan. Not one politician of any importance in any of those countries have campaigned on eliminating their health plan. Once people realize they can see a doctor without worrying about the cost things will never go back to the old "pay or suffer" system.
 
Dixie said:
I suggest you read the ruling again. They found the only way the law can stand, is under Congressional power to tax.

They struck down the argument this was a matter of the commerce clause, and beyond Congress' powers to regulate as such.

They disallowed funding from Medicare or any other appropriated program currently in existence.

The funding for Obamacare can ONLY be a TAX and remain constitutional. That was the ruling.

You get to keep it... but as a TAX.
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The majority of people buy health insurance anyway so to those folks it doesn't really matter what one calls it. Also, most people think it's foolish if not irresponsible to not have health insurance so they have no reason to be against it. That only leaves the people who don't buy insurance and if penalizing that minority results in saving the majority money where is the big backlash?
 
apple0154 said:
The majority of people buy health insurance anyway so to those folks it doesn't really matter what one calls it. Also, most people think it's foolish if not irresponsible to not have health insurance so they have no reason to be against it. That only leaves the people who don't buy insurance and if penalizing that minority results in saving the majority money where is the big backlash?
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No, here's the REALITY... Most people purchase health care insurance, and don't want to see their premiums rise dramatically. Most people OPPOSE Obamacare and want it repealed. In November, those people are going to vote AGAINST your man, and send the people home, who support keeping Obamacare. In January, it will be repealed by majorities in both houses and the Republican president will sign the death warrant. That will be the end of Obamacare.

Some provisions of Obamacare may remain, but the bulk of this monstrosity is going to be repealed and rescinded. The SCOTUS ruling pretty much sealed that fate, because it can't stand in any other form than a TAX, and it WON'T stand as a tax, the people won't allow it. I don't care what other people in other countries have done, that's not going to happen here.
 
Dixie said:
What? Let me get this straight.... you believe the 2,200-page bill is nothing more than government regulation which will magically provide health care to 40 million people, and there isn't any cost? Well okay... for the sake of insane argument, let's assume you are right... why did the bill seek to transfer $600 billion in Medicare funding? If it didn't cost anything, why did they need that money? Also, if it was free, why did they seek to require states to use their Medicare funding to pay for the mandates?

What we are seeing is... the things you believe and reality, are two completely different universes.
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You can keep repeating this, and you'll continue to be wrong
 
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