Scott Adams (Dilbert): "I hope my father dies soon."

Truth Detector said:
Having watched my father slowly die, I would ask you; have you ever watched a loved one beg to be put out of their suffering or lay in a vegetative state slowly disintegrating until there is nothing left but skin and bones?

You're trying to conflate the death of an innocent fetus that has no choice to an adult that knows what they want and would like the CHOICE. There is a VAST difference my friend. I am all for saving a fetus; just as I am all for assisted suicide if it is the choice of the ADULT suffering.

I used to think that dying of a massive heart attack was a bad thing; after seeing the hospice patients in my dad’s wing of the hospital, I decided that there are worse things….like laying in a puddle of your own vomit, or saliva having a catheter and intravenous feeding tube attached to you laying helpless waiting for a long and painful death.
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I have seen more than you can imagine. That is why they have living wills. Everyone should have one. I don't have a problem with it. As for hospice, it is designed for people who only have a few weeks left. Nobody can predict when they will die and I have seen miraculous recoveries. Nobody is stopping someone from committing suicide. Go for it. End it. Nobody is that bad off they can't find a way to swallow a bottle of diazepam and wash it down with some ETOH.

But, people asking for "physician assisted" suicide just want to remove the moral and actual responsibility from their selves. It is a cowardly position.
 
Jarod said:
Remember when Jeb Bush and the religious right fought hard to keep Terri Schiavo breathing even though her cerebral cortex was liquid?
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I remember.....do you want the government to make that decision or the family that is involved ?...

If you want the gov. to determine when you should die, then Obamacare is right up your alley.
 
Jarod said:
I thought you said it should be up to the family? And let me ask you, what other option was there?
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He wasn't her only family and they wanted to take care of her. Why wouldn't he let them? He had no proof of her claims that she wouldn't want to live like that. It was just his word. Are you really saying we should treat matters of life and death based on one persons word and that won't lead to some unintended consequences?

Why is the democrat party the party of death?
 
Jarod said:
No, her closest family member, her husband said it was his wife's desire not to live in a PVS, he was offered a million dollars to back off from that position, he refused.
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I would argue that a person’s mother and father are the closest family members; not a husband.

Michael could have easily left her care up to them; but perhaps there was a reason he wanted to ensure Terry died? Could he have actually strangled his own wife? Evidence suggests that her "accident" may not have been an accident.

So why not allow the family to keep her alive and care for her?

How does this equate to the FALSE claim of a Republican platform against assisted suicide?
 
I Love America said:
He wasn't her only family and they wanted to take care of her. Why wouldn't he let them? He had no proof of her claims that she wouldn't want to live like that. It was just his word. Are you really saying we should treat matters of life and death based on one persons word and that won't lead to some unintended consequences?

Why is the democrat party the party of death?
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In that situation it is clear to me it should be the decision of your closest living family member, in that case her husband.

We are not the party of death, we are the party of choice.
 
I Love America said:
I have seen more than you can imagine. That is why they have living wills. Everyone should have one. I don't have a problem with it. As for hospice, it is designed for people who only have a few weeks left. Nobody can predict when they will die and I have seen miraculous recoveries. Nobody is stopping someone from committing suicide. Go for it. End it. Nobody is that bad off they can't find a way to swallow a bottle of diazepam and wash it down with some ETOH.

But, people asking for "physician assisted" suicide just want to remove the moral and actual responsibility from their selves. It is a cowardly position.
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I disagree with your premise here; how is someone wishing to die in peace removing their moral responsibility?
 
Jarod said:
But the Republicans said Jesus gets to make that decision....!
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Right, hence in all the places where the left holds sway there is a right to dignity in death law in place. /sarcasm.

Until, and if, that ever happens, you have nothing to say like this. This is like saying that the Democrats are "pro-MJ" while they send their thugs in to bust people in Medical MJ shops. Hypocrisy is a policy of the left, and the inane believe they have some moral high ground because of lip-service to this. There is no political party moral high ground on this topic, both parties strive to make you suffer in death, die without dignity, and make criminals of those who would help.
 
Damocles said:
Right, hence in all the places where the left holds sway there is a right to dignity in death law in place. /sarcasm.

Until, and if, that ever happens, you have nothing to say to this. This is like saying that the Democrats are "pro-MJ" while they send their thugs in to bust people in Medical MJ shops. Hypocrisy is a policy of the left, and the inane believe they have some moral high ground because of lip-service to this.
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You can pretend all you want if it helps you keep your view of the world intact, but the fact remains that the Right has been on a moral crusade over the right to die debate and legal marijuana for many years. Yes, the Democrats are not perfect on these issues and are really simply "Republican light" as far as I am concerned... but they are a shade better and I'll take that shade when I can get it.

If you take parties out of the equation and examine the ideologies....

The Conservative ideology results in drugs and euthanasia being illegal.

The Liberal position is softer on both of those issues.
 
Its the Democrats who lead the way to progress on both issues, Republicans who are dragged kicking and screaming.
 
Jarod said:
Its the Democrats who lead the way to progress on both issues, Republicans who are dragged kicking and screaming.
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Yes, I will always be dragged kicking and screaming when it comes to taking life. I don't take that lightly. You apparently do.

On the drug issue, I go back and forth.
 
Jarod said:
You can pretend all you want if it helps you keep your view of the world intact, but the fact remains that the Right has been on a moral crusade over the right to die debate and legal marijuana for many years. Yes, the Democrats are not perfect on these issues and are really simply "Republican light" as far as I am concerned... but they are a shade better and I'll take that shade when I can get it.

If you take parties out of the equation and examine the ideologies....

The Conservative ideology results in drugs and euthanasia being illegal.

The Liberal position is softer on both of those issues.
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Whatever counselor.....you are wrong, but no matter....

The fact is, the devil is in the details and thats where the party's differ. Its just no as cut and dried as you imagine.

The gov. has no place in making the decision and no right to force the medical profession to assist.

certainly, the husband should not have the last say so, even you must to able to imagine the can of worms that could open up.

Its up to the states to allow or not allow it and make rules regulating it....
 
Truth Detector said:
Remember that this was a family's desire to keep her alive, AT THEIR COST, against the wishes of doctors and Government? Bush and Conservatives fought for the FAMILY'S rights to keep a beloved member of their FAMILY alive over the efforts of Government, the Jurists and Doctors.

Once again counselor; you read but fail to comprehend the issues.

Again; when was that added to the Republican platform? Or is this another of your fabulous strawmen you love to fabricate?
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Bullshit. It was her family that wanted to let her pass, not the government. The government resisted it for years.
 
NOVA said:
Physician-assisted suicide, together with euthanasia, was placed on the public ballot inWashington State, in November 1991, and in California, in November 1992. Both times, voters turned
down proposals to legalize physician-assisted dying (USA Today, August 9, 1993:13A). In September
1993, by a vote of 5-4, Canada's Supreme Court denied a woman's request to end her life by assisted
suicide (NY Times, October 1, 1993:A8).

Neither Washington nor California are bastions of the right-wing are they?...Nor Canada, as far as I know.

When the voters accept it....they will accept it, but it certainly should not be mandated by the government.
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It is being mandated by the government.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Bullshit. It was her family that wanted to let her pass, not the government. The government resisted it for years.
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The bullshit is all yours dimwit. Her family desperately attempted to keep her on life support; it was the courts, the doctors and her husband who wanted her unplugged.

Does stupid come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?
 
NOVA said:
Whatever counselor.....you are wrong, but no matter....

The fact is, the devil is in the details and thats where the party's differ. Its just no as cut and dried as you imagine.

The gov. has no place in making the decision and no right to force the medical profession to assist.

certainly, the husband should not have the last say so, even you must to able to imagine the can of worms that could open up.

Its up to the states to allow or not allow it and make rules regulating it....
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Wtf are you talking about. You say the government has no place in it and then that it is up to the the states. Which is it you incoherent fool?

And yet Republicans hollered and screamed for a suspension of the rule of law and allowing the state of Florida to come to a decision on this matter.

It is a lie that it was all based on the word of Michael. There were many courts involved, evidence introduced from doctors, caretakers, friends and family and a decision was made.
 
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