Scientific Evidence of God

[Onceler]

"To presume the trait "evolved in" is contradictory to science and Darwinism."

No, it isn't. It is actually very consistent with science & Darwinism

The earliest civilizations that you speak of would not have been possible without - now write this down - an advanced cerebral cortex.

 

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I could argue that a salmon swims upstream because he likes the fresher water. You could point to science and say, but Dixie, we know they do this to spawn! And I could continue to say that isn't the case, they just happen to spawn because they are happy to be in fresh water! But when you really begin to look at the scientific evidence objectively, and with an unbiased mind, you realize the salmon don't swim upstream because the water is fresher, it doesn't matter about the water, they do it to spawn.

I give this analogy to compare what is happening in this debate. Scientific evidence is clear, mankind has a foundational connection to spirituality, and always has. In fact, it is one distinct feature we have over other species of primates. Humans are the most advanced, creative, intelligent and imaginative creatures on the planet, and the only ones to worship. That is no coincidence.

There is an inherent connection between mankind and human spirituality, regardless of the petty arguments over religion. This is not an endorsement of religious beliefs, those are a byproduct of human spirituality, trying to understand something beyond human comprehension. Since the dawn of human civilization, mankind has had a need and desire to worship something greater than self. This attribute is strong, it can't be beaten out of man, it can't be stomped out of man, through thousands of years of persecution, war, genocide, death... human spirituality still remains, and as dominant in humans as ever.

A noted psychiatrist once stated, "if God didn't exist, man would have to invent him." Which is precisely what Atheists claim man did, but that was not the shrink's point. It was to say, mankind has a hard-wired instinctual desire to worship something, and has difficulty functioning long-term without it.

Now, this fundamental human spirituality doesn't mean God exists. That is a matter of faith, and to a great number of people who pray to something every day, he certainly does exist in their minds. But what does "exist" mean? Does God physically exist? I am not aware that anyone has claimed he does. In science, to "exist" means in a physical state. The next issue would be, how to measure existence of a God? Perhaps there is a physical existence of God and we don't know how to extrapolate the information? The bottom line is, you do not have to prove existence of God to determine human spirituality plays a vitally fundamental role in the advancement of our species.

yeah... you never said that ditzie...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

yeah... you never said that ditzie...

Here's your problem moron, you read: I never claimed that... and you stopped. You assumed this meant I denied saying something, I haven't denied what I said, just what you say I claimed. I didn't discover the oldest civilization of man practiced spirituality, other people discovered this, I just posted the evidence. It's not MY claim, it is their finding.

 

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Here's your problem moron, you read: I never claimed that... and you stopped. You assumed this meant I denied saying something, I haven't denied what I said, just what you say I claimed. I didn't discover the oldest civilization of man practiced spirituality, other people discovered this, I just posted the evidence. It's not MY claim, it is their finding.

Wrong moron.... you stated in an earlier post...

"Scientific evidence is clear, mankind has a foundational connection to spirituality, and always has."

The phrase 'always has' means what to you?

You are truly a fool. Do the gene pool a favor and don't reproduce.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

"To presume the trait "evolved in" is contradictory to science and Darwinism."

No, it isn't. It is actually very consistent with science & Darwinism

The earliest civilizations that you speak of would not have been possible without - now write this down - an advanced cerebral cortex.

You don't know that, can't prove that, and can't establish that as a fact. It is YOUR conclusion, not the conclusion of science.

Darwin explicitly explains that attributes are not "invented" by evolution! If they were, I would have an arm on my back to scratch my ass! So it is contradictory to Darwinism to conclude an "advanced cerebral cortex" appeared out of nowhere because the Evolution Gods knew mankind needed it! That just didn't happen.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Wrong moron.... you stated in an earlier post...

"Scientific evidence is clear, mankind has a foundational connection to spirituality, and always has."

The phrase 'always has' means what to you?

You are truly a fool. Do the gene pool a favor and don't reproduce.

Always has, as in... as far back as we find evidence of human civilization. As I said, we can't determine what happened before that, and I make no such claim.

 

[Damocles]

Repeat:The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!

And no matter how many times you repeat it, it is still wrong. Read the book to find out how it was tested and why you are wrong.

 

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Always has, as in... as far back as we find evidence of human civilization. As I said, we can't determine what happened before that, and I make no such claim.

you are such a pussy... no matter what you actually SAY, you always go back and pretend it means something else once you have it thrown back in your face.

As I stated, it is mans desire to KNOW the HOW and WHY that causes spirituality to be used as an explanatory tool for the unknown.

Bottom line is this.... you have provided NO 'evidence of God' as you proclaimed in your title. None.

But I am sure you are going to find a way to spin that into 'I did not say that'... won't you ditzie?

 

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And no matter how many times you repeat it, it is still wrong. Read the book to find out how it was tested and why you are wrong.

come on Damo... you know the rules... if Ditzie says it cannot be done, it cannot be done. His saying so makes it so.

 

[ib1yysguy]

Every attribute you have came from nowhere since we all evolved from single-celled organisms. Cerebral cortex is no different. Ours just evolved from the lesser evolved ones of our ancestors. Monkeys have them, apes have them, cats have them. Mammals have them. It isn't that hard. And it isn't against the teachings of Darwin or modern biology.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

Here's the deal. You are pissed off at me because I said bad things about you regarding your stupid inane APP board and your worthless butt buddy Grind.

lol. still can't let it go.

It's because I challenged you, because I revealed your lie to the rest of the board, because I made a fool out of you and Grind.

LOL. Yes dixie, and we would have gotten away with it to, if it wasn't for your superior intellect and perceptive insight! DAMN YOU DIXIE, DAMNNNN YOUUUUUUU!

Your feelings are hurt, and you are lashing out the best way you can think of.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Trust me dixie, I can't imagine anyone, let alone damo and myself, giving two shits about anything you think of us.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

that was 100% projection if im not mistaken.

 

[ib1yysguy]

that was 100% projection if im not mistaken.

For a guy who claims to be a psychologist who just happens to work at a newspaper instead he does an awfully poor job of seeing this stuff for what it is.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

As I stated, it is mans desire to KNOW the HOW and WHY that causes spirituality to be used as an explanatory tool for the unknown.

This is your presumption, and it is your starting point for any further examination, you have closed your mind to the fact that another possibility exists and your presumption could be incorrect. Nothing you have shown, or Damo, or anyone else, is conclusive proof that mankind invented spirituality. You can form an opinion, you can presume, you can assume, and you can theorize, but you simply can't say that we know something that hasn't been proven, that is faith.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

And no matter how many times you repeat it, it is still wrong. Read the book to find out how it was tested and why you are wrong.

Reading a book is not going to make something possible that is impossible, Damo! You continue to insist that something has been determined or concluded regarding this, and it simply has not. You presented an articulate and well-reasoned theory and opinion, but that is all it was. You can't proclaim your theory any more valid than I can proclaim your theory invalid, both are legitimate possibilities, and worthy of intellectual consideration, and your FASCIST insistence that only YOU can have a correct opinion here and proclaim it fact, is a fucking JOKE... LIKE YOU!

 

[Damocles]

Reading a book is not going to make something possible that is impossible, Damo! You continue to insist that something has been determined or concluded regarding this, and it simply has not. You presented an articulate and well-reasoned theory and opinion, but that is all it was. You can't proclaim your theory any more valid than I can proclaim your theory invalid, both are legitimate possibilities, and worthy of intellectual consideration, and your FASCIST insistence that only YOU can have a correct opinion here and proclaim it fact, is a fucking JOKE... LIKE YOU!

However, reading the book will tell you how something you just think is impossible is actually possible.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

However, reading the book will tell you how something you just think is impossible is actually possible.

No, I am certain it is impossible to draw conclusions of something we were not here to witness firsthand. We can THINK something all day long, it doesn't prove it true. We can BELIEVE things transpired a certain way, and I am sure your book gives us some great insight into what is believed. We can SPECULATE on what may or may not have occurred regarding human spirituality, but there is no way to test or study something which happened 100k years ago. Unless you've invented a time machine.

This question of human spirituality can not be definitively concluded, there is no way to do that and remain within the boundaries of logic. Such conclusions and presumptions are also contradictory to science principles. You have repeatedly tried to imply that something has been concluded in this regard, and it simply hasn't. If it has, it is an erroneous conclusion based on presumption.

 

[ib1yysguy]

No, I am certain it is impossible to draw conclusions of something we were not here to witness firsthand.

Jesus Chris. Really? You just got finished saying that you're drawing conclusions on when human spirituality started based on the record of stuff we've dug up (read: not first hand).

 

[Lowaicue]

I really would have thought that those who follow any religion would endeavour to live and act according to its principles. All we see here is stupid and childish automatic gainsay in which neither side can ever triumph and neither side can emerge without distorting their own particular truth.
Sherlock Holmes said that, when looking for the murderer first find the motive.
Lets apply that here.
What is the motive for organised religion? Is it a misguided attempt to answer the unanswerable? Is it a desire to live life according to perfect ideals?
No. It isnt either of those. So, what is the motive behind 'religion'?
The motive, quite simply, is the same motive that lies behind and within any society in which the big prey upon the small.
Lets go back. Way back. Lets go back to caves and total ignorance. If we look at humanity in those far off days we see a mirror of humanity as it is now. (not surprising). We see people divided by natural talents. Some of those talents are more personally beneficial than others. A talent for farming carries with it a benefit but a talent for organisation will trump it with ease. The man with the brain to think will outperform the man for whom thought is difficult.
The simple man will go to the thinking man for advice.
"It is getting cold, what should I do?"
"Why dont my crops grow?"
"I am scared. The light has gone from the world, what should I do?"
The smarter man answers:
"If you are cold wrap yourself in furs and light a fire. The cold will not last for very long."
"Your crops dont grow because the seasons are changing. You must wait for a while before planting."
"The light will come back. It does every year."

"Thank you very much. What do I owe you?"

"Your existence!"

We have discovered control. What is more we have discovered the natural naivety of man.
"How did we get here?"
"Where are we from?"
"What will happen to us?"

"A great power that made the sun and the earth put you here. That great power loves you very much. That power is called god. If you do as I tell you I will speak to god and ensure your safety and well-being."

"Thank you. What do we owe you?"

"Your lives and the lives of your children."

And you are STILL unable to think!

And you are STILL paying!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

That's undoubtedly the dumbest most shallow-minded thing I have ever read here!