Scarborough Shreds ‘Pathetic’ Clinton Defense of Foundation

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MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough tore into Hillary Clinton press secretary Brian Fallon‘s unconvincing defense of the Clinton Foundation Thursday, calling it “pathetic.”

The Morning Joe host cued up video of Fallon giving an interview to MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell in which he implied that those attacking the Clinton Foundation were hurting the international effort to eradicate AIDS.
“If any American voter is troubled by the idea that the Clintons want to keep working to solve the AIDS crisis on the side while Hillary Clinton is president, then don’t vote for her,”
he said bluntly.

“That is so pathetic. You all are not really that pathetic, are you?”
Scarborough asked the Clinton camp.

You’re going to actually say that if Bill Clinton doesn’t have the opportunity to shake down billionaires, that AIDS will not be cured?” he asked. “…And Bill Clinton, shaking down billionaires in Kazakhstan, while doing deals on the side and getting down $550,000 for a one-hour speech, that’s our only path forward to curing AIDS?”

“You’re not really that pathetic, are you?” he asked again. “Because if that’s the best line of attack you have, you need to go back to middle school and start all over again.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scar...fense-of-foundation-go-back-to-middle-school/
 
the CNN interview, the former secretary of state reiterated her regret about her use of a private server, saying, "I've been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails. What I've learned is that when I try to explain what happened, it can sound like I'm trying to excuse what I did. And there are no excuses :rolleyes:
 
It's a bit of an overreaction, as is everything regarding Clinton.

If you read up on it, the Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good in the world. I think that's all Fallon was trying to point out.

The onus is on the Trumpsters & Giluiani, who made this out to be worse than Watergate. Who benefited from this "pay for play" scam that they keep talking about? Where are all of these mad profits that the Clintons are reaping actually going?

It's a friggin' charity. This ain't Trump U. This ain't the pill bill.
 
It's a bit of an overreaction, as is everything regarding Clinton.

If you read up on it, the Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good in the world. I think that's all Fallon was trying to point out.

The onus is on the Trumpsters & Giluiani, who made this out to be worse than Watergate. Who benefited from this "pay for play" scam that they keep talking about? Where are all of these mad profits that the Clintons are reaping actually going?

It's a friggin' charity. This ain't Trump U. This ain't the pill bill.

Yup, nothing to see

It was just a coincidence that Bill's speeches went from $250,000 to $500,000 right after she became Secretary of State

It was just a coinky dink that people donated to the foundation then expected venue with her

I am sure you really want to believe it

I guess you are holding out for the email that says

"Hillary, this is Bob. I will give you $500,000 if you let 10,000 Syrians in the US"

Is that what you are waiting for?
 
Why bring up AIDS ( etc.) when the question is about "pay for play" - it's pure "pathetic" deflection on Fallon's part.

One thing we do know for sure- The Clinton Foundation took about 1/2 it's money from foreign donors/gov'ts ,and in return they got special access.

Many donors also hired Bill Clinton for enormous speaking fees -not Hillary- she was busy giving Wall St. speeches for $1/4 mil a pop.
 
Yup, nothing to see

It was just a coincidence that Bill's speeches went from $250,000 to $500,000 right after she became Secretary of State

It was just a coinky dink that people donated to the foundation then expected venue with her

I am sure you really want to believe it

I guess you are holding out for the email that says

"Hillary, this is Bob. I will give you $500,000 if you let 10,000 Syrians in the US"

Is that what you are waiting for?

Well, kinda. That's how it works in the good ol' USA. You really need evidence, not partisan conjecture and a former mayor who has gone off the rails ranting that it's worse than Watergate.

Sorry, but as of today, there is no there there. There is certainly nothing that would hold up in a court of law, and there isn't even anything that's compelling in the court of public opinion, unless you're already inclined to believe whatever anyone throws out there against the Clintons.
 
Why bring up AIDS ( etc.) when the question is about "pay for play" - it's pure "pathetic" deflection on Fallon's part.

One thing we do know for sure- The Clinton Foundation took about 1/2 it's money from foreign donors/gov'ts ,and in return they got special access.

Many donors also hired Bill Clinton for enormous speaking fees -not Hillary- she was busy giving Wall St. speeches for $1/4 mil a pop.

The market rocks for ex-President speaking fees. Always has. Why is that all of a sudden a big deal?

And what do you mean by "special access"? I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary. She had thousands of meetings as SOS; are you saying that there are some people she wouldn't have met w/ if they didn't donate something? What's your proof of that?
 
Well, kinda. That's how it works in the good ol' USA. You really need evidence, not partisan conjecture and a former mayor who has gone off the rails ranting that it's worse than Watergate.

Sorry, but as of today, there is no there there. There is certainly nothing that would hold up in a court of law, and there isn't even anything that's compelling in the court of public opinion, unless you're already inclined to believe whatever anyone throws out there against the Clintons.

I am not surprised you haven't made the same comment in Jarod's Trump MAN BOY LOVE thread.

It is your routine.
 
I am not surprised you haven't made the same comment in Jarod's Trump MAN BOY LOVE thread.

It is your routine.

That's such an old schtick, Yurt. I haven't even opened that thread.

But I'm not surprised that you only point this out when the poster leans more left. Such a clear partisan-hack agenda w/ you.
 
That's such an old schtick, Yurt. I haven't even opened that thread.

But I'm not surprised that you only point this out when the poster leans more left. Such a clear partisan-hack agenda w/ you.

The ol' Yurt schtick, good one. Yeah, fall back on that. And pat yourself on the back.
 
The market rocks for ex-President speaking fees. Always has. Why is that all of a sudden a big deal?

And what do you mean by "special access"? I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary. She had thousands of meetings as SOS; are you saying that there are some people she wouldn't have met w/ if they didn't donate something? What's your proof of that?

Poor Thingy.....one of the people Hillary can fool ALL of the time.....next he'll be telling us Hillary never sent or received classified emails......
 
The market rocks for ex-President speaking fees. Always has. Why is that all of a sudden a big deal?

And what do you mean by "special access"? I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary. She had thousands of meetings as SOS; are you saying that there are some people she wouldn't have met w/ if they didn't donate something? What's your proof of that?
good Lord. Have you read the Emails from Bland ( etc.) to Abedin/Mills asking for meetings? And these are just a very small fraction of what we know -these were the one's she deleted as non-work related.

AND many of these were from foreign donors -prohibited from contributing to campaigns..
There are bunch of them out there..this is the one most reported on:
The Associated Press reported this week that out of a set of 154 private individuals who were allowed meetings or phone calls with Mrs. Clinton during her time as secretary of state, 85 of them gave to the Clinton Foundation or pledged commitments to its international programs.

as to Bill Clinton's speeches -why would his value double as an ex-president? Do you think it was because everyone understood Hillary was running?
 
Hillary Clinton haunted by her own ‘pay-to-play’ attacks against Obama

Eight years ago, it was Hillary Clinton who was accusing candidate Barack Obama of being swayed by his financial backers, including his connections with Tony Rezko, a fundraiser who was imprisoned for his role in “pay-to-play” schemes involving former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Mrs. Clinton now finds herself in the crosshairs of those same accusations but insists there is no fire behind all the smoke rising from the Clinton Foundation.

Her campaign says it’s ridiculous to think donations to the Clinton family’s massive charity were enough to earn access to the secretary in the State Department. :rolleyes:


Campaign finance analysts and watchdogs, though, said the parallels between her criticism of Mr. Obama in 2008 and the accusations she faces now are clear, particularly in an age when money appears to buy access in politics.

“I would say they are comparable,” said Brendan Fischer, associate counsel at the Campaign Legal Center, a campaign finance watchdog group. “I think it speaks to the larger culture of politics in Washington, D.C., where those with the deepest pockets are afforded the greatest access.”

Mr. Fischer said deep-pocketed donors most commonly contribute to officials or candidates either through their campaigns or through associated super PACs

But in this instance, we have the Clinton Foundation, and I think this does show that money not only buys access in the context of a campaign, but also through contributions to groups that are not related to elections but otherwise associated with the candidate, like the Clinton Foundation,”
he said.

The Associated Press reported this week that out of a set of 154 private individuals who were allowed meetings or phone calls with Mrs. Clinton during her time as secretary of state, 85 of them gave to the Clinton Foundation or pledged commitments to its international programs.

The report follows newly released emails that show foundation executives used Huma Abedin, Mrs. Clinton’s closest personal aide, as a conduit to try to earn favorable treatment or access for its donors.

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump says it’s evidence of a “pay for play” atmosphere at Mrs. Clinton’s State Department.

He and other Republicans are calling on a special prosecutor to investigate, and the candidate drew a connection Wednesday between the latest revelations about the foundation and the controversy over Mrs. Clinton’s private email server.

“It’s impossible to tell where the Clinton Foundation ends and the State Department begins,” Mr. Trump said.

Mrs. Clinton’s aides feverishly fought the criticism, saying it amounted to a “reprehensible attack on a charity.” They said Mrs. Clinton is the victim of a double standard.

Campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said similar questions weren’t raised or attacks launched against former President George H.W. Bush’s Points of Light Foundation or against 1996 Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole, whose wife, Elizabeth Dole, ran the American Red Cross.

“And rightfully so, because [these] are charitable organizations that are doing important work, and the idea that they would be dragged into a political back-and-forth and used as weapons for attacks is completely absurd and beyond the pale,” Mr. Fallon said on MSNBC.

“You know what? If any American voter is troubled by the idea that the Clintons want to continue to solve the AIDS crisis on the side while Hillary Clinton is president, then don’t vote for her,” Mr. Fallon said. “But I think most voters are pretty reasonable on that point.”

Former President Bill Clinton defended the foundation on similar grounds, telling reporters in Atlanta on Wednesday, “If there’s something wrong with creating jobs and saving lives, I don’t know what it is.”

Mr. Fallon also said the story was a “cherry-pick” of a comparatively small subset of some 1,700 meetings Mrs. Clinton held and that there was nothing untoward about talking with people like Melinda Gates, the wife of Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

But Republicans said the matter was serious enough that Mrs. Clinton needs to break her streak and hold a press conference for the first time this year.

Mrs. Clinton’s own operation has implicitly acknowledged the appearance of a conflict of interest, saying the foundation will change its policy and reject corporate and foreign donations if she wins the White House.

The last time Mrs. Clinton ran for president, her campaign was demanding more transparency in Mr. Obama’s relationship with Mr. Rezko, an Obama fundraiser who was convicted in June 2008 of charges tied to a kickback scheme involving the disgraced Blagojevich.

“We still don’t have a lot of answers about Sen. Obama and his dealings with Mr. Rezko,” Mrs. Clinton said in a 2008 interview with a television station in Washington.

In that campaign, Mrs. Clinton also strongly implied that Mr. Obama, then a U.S. senator from Illinois, was swayed in his actions in Congress by donations from the oil industry.

“Barack Obama accepted $200,000 from executives and employees of oil companies,” a narrator says in an ad from the 2008 presidential campaign. “Every gallon of gas takes three bucks from your pocket. But Obama voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill that put $6 billion in the pocket of big oil. Hillary voted against it.”

Charlie Spies, a lawyer who has served as counsel for the Republican National Committee, said at least in the case of Mr. Obama, federal law required that the money be used for political campaigns.

He said Mrs. Clinton’s situation is even more prone to abuse because the money goes straight to a family enterprise run by the Clinton family and its closest supporters.

“The Clinton Foundation isn’t a campaign that has legal restrictions on being personally used,” Mr. Spies said. “Instead, it’s the operation that funds the Clinton lifestyle and all their hangers-on
.

“It is much worse,” said Mr. Spies, who was also counsel for the Jeb Bush super PAC Right to Rise USA. “If you look at the politicians who go to jail who are getting convicted of crimes, it’s almost always because they or their families are personally benefiting from political money
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/24/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-her-own-pay-to-play-att/
 
Scarborough asked the Clinton camp.

You’re going to actually say that if Bill Clinton doesn’t have the opportunity to shake down billionaires, that AIDS will not be cured?” he asked. “…And Bill Clinton, shaking down billionaires in Kazakhstan, while doing deals on the side and getting down $550,000 for a one-hour speech, that’s our only path forward to curing AIDS?”

“You’re not really that pathetic, are you?” he asked again. “Because if that’s the best line of attack you have, you need to go back to middle school and start all over again.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scar...fense-of-foundation-go-back-to-middle-school/

Wellllllllllllll.....you've gotta understand Jumpin' Joe's bitterness.....when he's making every effort to tear-down someone as successful as Bill Clinton.

Because of him.....and, people like him......Jumpin' Joe will NEVER be able to run for public-office, ever AGAIN!!!

The moment he tries.....and, he KNOWS this.....someone, JUST LIKE HIM, will suggest......"Well, Joe, we understand what you're proposing.....but, we STILL don't think we've gotten the FULL-story on THAT DEAD SECRETARY, IN YOUR OFFICE."


http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html

I'd say, his Karma is serving the rest-of-us, VERY well!!!!!!!


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It's a bit of an overreaction, as is everything regarding Clinton.

If you read up on it, the Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good in the world. I think that's all Fallon was trying to point out.

The onus is on the Trumpsters & Giluiani, who made this out to be worse than Watergate. Who benefited from this "pay for play" scam that they keep talking about? Where are all of these mad profits that the Clintons are reaping actually going?

It's a friggin' charity. This ain't Trump U. This ain't the pill bill.

Arguably the most egregarious example of Clintonian pay to play was with the Russian uranium deal. Shortly after the deal went down, Bill Clinton recieved a $500,000 speaking fee from some folks in Moscow.

You're right, Thing. It's difficult to prove the two are related. It's a bit like no one can prove that the Iranian hostages were 'coincidentally' released shortly after we gave them a huge sum of tax payer money for something we owed the Shah back in the 70's.

But at some point you have to be pretty gullible to not suspect something unethical is going on. Or maybe you just want to close your eyes to it for partisan purposes.
 
If you read up on it, the Clinton Foundation has done a lot of good in the world.

but how do you know that any of what you read is true?.......after all, it came from the Clintons.......by the way I read up on the fact that the CGI has paid over $40 million over the years to fly the Clintons around the world......has that done anyone a lot of good?......
 
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