DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You mean spun.
Save our Schools....raise my taxes!
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The Almighty
Try that again without changing the font color. The blue is almost impossible to read on the black background.
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The Almighty
Listen MORON.... I never said Freedomworks did not help to organize Tea Party events.
YOU proclaimed the tea party was funded and run by CORPORATIONS. THEY ARE NOT.
FREEDOMWORKS is a GRASS ROOTS ORGANIZATION that was founded to LOBBY.
The above are all examples of how GRASS ROOTS movements form and organize.
Yes, most GRASSROOTS organizations run donations through 501c(3) organizations. It allows the contributions to be tax deductible. The same as the GRASSROOTS organization moveon.org does.
Freedomworks.... founded in 1984
Moveon.org.... founded in 1998
Please tell us again how Freedomworks was launched in response to Moveon.
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The Almighty
Yes, money does flow through them. It does not change the FACT that your assertion that the Tea Party is funded by corporations.
Yes, rich people are allowed to contribute to PACs too. Good catch. $12 million over 17 years. WOW.
I wonder how much Soros has pumped into Moveon.org???
Also... if you notice... those donations you quoted run from 1985 to 2002. The Tea Party began in 2009. So the donations quoted have ZERO to do with it. That said, I am sure there are big donors mixed in with the small ones.
Ok... AND??? This still doesn't mean they are corporate run. For one, Freedomworks does more than simply organize the Tea Party. For another, Conservative foundations give to conservative movements as to liberal foundations to liberal movements.
Your assertion is false. Corporations do not run the Tea Party.
The above is simply more of your idiotic talking points to try to justify reaming tax payers more. The points are the typical scare tactics from the left used every time they want to justify tossing even more money to their union cronies.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You must be racist.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Oh, on your part that is MOST evident. And as it seems here, you have nothing else to add except lame dodges and baseless accusations. You're done. See ya next time.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
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And once again, you demonstrate the willfull ignorance and insipid stubborness of the neocon parrot. This is from one of my links that you obviously ignored:
FreedomWorks is run by ladies’ man (and registered lobbyist) Dick Armey, and if they’re not "organizing" the Tea parties, it’s news to them.
From the FreedomWorks website:
With your help, we have been able to organize hundreds of Taxpayer Tea Parties across the country, from Santa Barbara, California to Amarillo, Texas, and all the way to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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If you are not able to organize or attend a Taxpayer Tea Party, you can still help the cause by donating or buying a t-shirt. You can also spread the word via email, facebook and word of mouth. If you would like to post updates on tea parties in your state, or if you’d like to get in touch with other people planning tea parties, visit our Tea Party HQ. We have created an interactive Google map that you can use to locate a tea party near you!
The "donation" for the Tea Parties page goes to — you guessed it — the FreedomWorks Foundation. The "thank you" lettter is signed by Matt Kibbe, President & CEO, who cut his teeth working for Lee Atwater. He was behind the attempt to get Ralph Nader put on the ballot in Oregon in 2004, prompting a complaint to the FEC of illegal collusion with the GOP.
FreedomWorks was launched a GOP version of MoveOn. "We believe that hard work beats daddy’s money," said Dick Armey at the time. Armey seems to be a bit irony challenged — Steve Forbes is on the FreedomWorks board. As Krugman notes, their money comes from the Koch, Scaife, Bradley, Olin and other reliable funders of right wing infrastructure including Exxon Mobil.
Here genius, combine this with what I cut & pasted above. Evidently, your reading comprehension skills leave MUCH to be desired.
Is appears that money to organize and implement the Movement is flowing primarily through two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks.
In an April 9, 2009 article on ThinkProgress.org, Lee Fang reports that the principal organizers of the Tea Party movement are Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works, two "lobbyist-run think tanks" that are "well funded" and that provide the logistics and organizing for the Tea Party movement from coast to coast. Media Matters reported that FreedomWorks receives substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations, which make substantial annual donations to conservative organizations, including FreedomWorks (and its predecessor, Citizens for a Sound Economy) as well as other conservative think tanks advocacy groups, etc. Media Matters reports that the Koch family has given more than $12 million to CSE/FreedomWorks between 1985 and 2002.[1][2]
Media Matters also lists the Sarah Scaife Foundation as having given a total of $2.96 million in funding to FreedomWorks.[3] The Sarah Mellon Scaife Foundation is financed by the Mellon industrial, oil, and banking fortune. [4]
The Claude R. Lambe Foundation, also controlled by the Koch family, has donated more than $3 million to Americans for Prosperity.
Let me dumb it down for you......their jobs, which are to teach EVERYONE elses kids, to look after EVERYONE elses disabled or elderly family members, etc., ARE PAID FOR BY THEIR TAXES AND EVERYONE ELSES TAXES. Their jobs include servicing the "private sector" as well as the "public sector". Everyone's taxes pays for those services, which are pretty damned vital. The State here want's to short change the "private & publc sector" by cutting vital services. The solutionS offered, raise taxes and/or cut from the top (of local gov't instead). I'm more interested in seeing the local public response to these proposals, and not some distorted slobberings from jokers like you.
Translation: this blowhard cannot refute the logic in the statement that he excerpted, so in the true fashion of the intellectually bankrupt neocon he bluffs with insults. As my responses above show, there's nothing "super" about this wingnut "freak".
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Taichiliberal
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Listen MORON.... I never said Freedomworks did not help to organize Tea Party events.
YOU proclaimed the tea party was funded and run by CORPORATIONS. THEY ARE NOT.
Wrong again....as the information I provided demonstrates. See genius, you have to read ALL the information before you sputter and fume erroneous declarations.
FREEDOMWORKS is a GRASS ROOTS ORGANIZATION that was founded to LOBBY.
Wrong again, you intellectually stunted bullhorn. "grassroots" is a term applied to something started by individuals in the general population (average citizens)....neighbors, friends...people with various jobs, interest. They pool their resources, organize. Freedomworks in no way fits that definition...unless YOU are redefining the term "grassroots".
The above are all examples of how GRASS ROOTS movements form and organize.
No genius......A POLITICALLY SPONSORED, CORPORATE FUNDED ORGANIZATION IS ORGANIZING HERE, NOT SOME LOCAL PTA IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CHURCH GROUP. Deal with it.
Yes, most GRASSROOTS organizations run donations through 501c(3) organizations. It allows the contributions to be tax deductible. The same as the GRASSROOTS organization moveon.org does.
If it were just some local Tea Party started by some PTA folk, yeah, you'd have a case. But Freedomworks was started by a POLITICIAN, who's funding has been derived by LIKE MINDED political connections AND THEIR CORPORATE CONNECTIONS. Something you seem desperate to ignore.
Freedomworks.... founded in 1984
Moveon.org.... founded in 1998
Please tell us again how Freedomworks was launched in response to Moveon.
LEARN TO READ COMPREHENSIVELY, mastermind. They launched a "VERSION"...no one but YOU indicated that it was a similarly timed response. To dumb it down for you.....NO ONE SAID THAT ARMEY'S FREEDOMWORKS WAS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.
Next time, please spare us all your neocn kneejerks, and pay attention to what's going on before you parrot the mantras and talking points.
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"Scientists don't use "averages". Maybe armchair supertools on message boards ascribe some meaning to "averages" between two random data points. And maybe clueless amatuers "draw a straight line" through two random end data points to define a "trend". Experts don't.
They use mean annual and five year means in trend analysis. Don't tell me I have to explain the difference to you. "
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Yes, money does flow through them. It does not change the FACT that your assertion that the Tea Party is funded by corporations.
Stop playing dumb or get an adult to explain it to you. As the information I provided shows.....CORPORATIONS put the money into this via the POLITICAL CONNECTIONS. READ, genius, READ.
Yes, rich people are allowed to contribute to PACs too. Good catch. $12 million over 17 years. WOW.
I wonder how much Soros has pumped into Moveon.org???
Also... if you notice... those donations you quoted run from 1985 to 2002. The Tea Party began in 2009. So the donations quoted have ZERO to do with it. That said, I am sure there are big donors mixed in with the small ones.
So the corporate money to Freedomworks came with the stipulation that the largesse would all be spent before 2009, NEVER allowed to accrue interest in savings accounts, and NEVER be used to fund Tea Party? And NO OTHER donations have been done since? Are you really that naive, stupid or so stubborn that your cognitive reasoning skills get replaced with neocon fantasy?
Ok... AND??? This still doesn't mean they are corporate run. For one, Freedomworks does more than simply organize the Tea Party. For another, Conservative foundations give to conservative movements as to liberal foundations to liberal movements.
Your assertion is false. Corporations do not run the Tea Party.
Again, you're just being stubborn to the point of insipidness. Where the hell does Freedomworks gets it money from to run teabagger functions? Well, I provided proof of a source, and you want everyone to believe that the money from corporations has some magic stipulation that it's never to be used for the teabaggers? Well bunky, then please provide proof for us all where Freedomworks gets the cash from SANS IT CORPORATE CONNECTIONS? I want proof, not your opinionated BS, not your supposition and conjecture. I provided FACTS, not an assertion. Your level of denial borders on delusion.
The above is simply more of your idiotic talking points to try to justify reaming tax payers more. The points are the typical scare tactics from the left used every time they want to justify tossing even more money to their union cronies.
Translation: This intellectually bankrupt clown could not logically prove me wrong, so he just repeated his mantra with an added personal insult. And that's pretty much what he'll do from now on here.