SAVE America passes test vote 51-48!

[Stone]

Doesn't it need 60 votes?

Of course. But there could be some " workarounds" available......

 

[Stone]

It does, he's just an idiot.

CLEARLY in my OP I said it was a TEST vote. Or cant you read?

 

[Crepitus]

Well it does unless they nuke the filibuster.

true but extremely unlikley.

 

[Crepitus]

CLEARLY in my OP I said it was a TEST vote. Or cant you read?

If you understood it was a failure why are you celebrating it?

Oh wait!

I forgot you are stupid!

 

[Stone]

If you understood it was a failure why are you celebrating it?

Oh wait!

I forgot you are stupid!

Mmmm hmmmm

 

[FastLane]

true but extremely unlikley.

I would not be so sure.

 

[archives]

Which part of IT IS NOT SOCIETY'S PROBLEM did you not understand. Stupid, lazy, or retarded on your part is not a problem on society's part. SUCH IDIOTS DISENFRANCHIZED THEMSELVES! If you are that terminally stupid, you probably shouldn't be voting anyway.

I already demonstrated you don't need a passport. Getting a birth certificate, assuming you were stupid enough to lose yours, is not a serious problem unless you are STUPID!

In a “society” whose political framework, whose reputation as a nation, is based upon democratic values, extending the vote, not restricting it, is a defining trait. And I don’t think not being able to produce a birth certificate is a sign of stupidity

You got to be kidding, I’d wager heavily that if you asked all Americans over the age of say twenty five if they possessed their birth certificate they’d even laugh at the question. Obtaining a new birth certificate takes weeks, and the Safe Act would require those that say got married, who changed their name, to obtain a new birth certificate, and don’t get married in October, you ain’t voting

And for what? To “correct” a nonexistent “problem?”

 

[T. A. Gardner]

In a “society” whose political framework, whose reputation as a nation, is based upon democratic values, extending the vote, not restricting it, is a defining trait. And I don’t think not being able to produce a birth certificate is a sign of stupidity

Self-reliance and personal responsibility are hallmarks of a strong society. A birth certificate is an important document just as for a veteran their DD 214 is. Is an automobile title an important document? How about your mortgage and deed paperwork if you own a home?

It is a sign of stupidity that you are careless or lazy enough to simply lose such documents. So, it is clear that, yes, you don't think.

You got to be kidding, I’d wager heavily that if you asked all Americans over the age of say twenty five if they possessed their birth certificate they’d even laugh at the question. Obtaining a new birth certificate takes weeks, and the Safe Act would require those that say got married, who changed their name, to obtain a new birth certificate, and don’t get married in October, you ain’t voting

Then we are raising a generation of idiots. If it takes weeks to obtain a copy of your birth certificate, so what? You have months to register to vote. Or are you claiming that waiting until the day before an election to do so should be tolerated by society. Should society encourage such myopic planning, sloth, and stupidity?

And for what? To “correct” a nonexistent “problem?”

That is just a thought terminating cliche in the form of an argument from ignorance.

 

[Crepitus]

I would not be so sure.

I'm pretty sure.

 

[archives]

Self-reliance and personal responsibility are hallmarks of a strong society. A birth certificate is an important document just as for a veteran their DD 214 is. Is an automobile title an important document? How about your mortgage and deed paperwork if you own a home?

It is a sign of stupidity that you are careless or lazy enough to simply lose such documents. So, it is clear that, yes, you don't think.


Then we are raising a generation of idiots. If it takes weeks to obtain a copy of your birth certificate, so what? You have months to register to vote. Or are you claiming that waiting until the day before an election to do so should be tolerated by society. Should society encourage such myopic planning, sloth, and stupidity?



That is just a thought terminating cliche in the form of an argument from ignorance.

You are in never never land, most people do not posses a birth certificate, why would they, when was it ever required? All those other documents are useful, a birth certificate is not

Exactly, weeks, if you don’t have one by the end of September, you ain’t voting, and as I said, if you had a fall marriage or changed addresses, you also could be out of luck

And, for probably the ninth time, for what? Voter Fraud is nearly nonexistent, so why create unnecessary hurdles to voting?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You are in never never land, most people do not posses a birth certificate, why would they, when was it ever required? All those other documents are useful, a birth certificate is not

I have two. One is wallet sized. I used that one to enlist in the Navy. Yes, you have to provide a birth certificate for that. I used it again to get a passport.
Today, you need one to get a Real ID. Don't have a Real ID? You are paying $45 every time you go through TSA screening at the airport. So, you are, as usual, full of shit.

Exactly, weeks, if you don’t have one by the end of September, you ain’t voting, and as I said, if you had a fall marriage or changed addresses, you also could be out of luck

That's on you. Plan ahead. Change of address is online now if it's in the same state.

For my state:

https://azsos.gov/elections/voters

You are full of shit, again.

And, for probably the ninth time, for what? Voter Fraud is nearly nonexistent, so why create unnecessary hurdles to voting?

This is an irrelevant appeal in the form of trivial objections. Mass voter fraud has existed in the past, Tammany Hall / Boss Tweed for example. Therefore, mass voter fraud could exist undetected today. Adding protections to help prevent it is never a bad idea.

 

[archives]

I have two. One is wallet sized. I used that one to enlist in the Navy. Yes, you have to provide a birth certificate for that. I used it again to get a passport.
Today, you need one to get a Real ID. Don't have a Real ID? You are paying $45 every time you go through TSA screening at the airport. So, you are, as usual, full of shit.


That's on you. Plan ahead. Change of address is online now if it's in the same state.

For my state:

https://azsos.gov/elections/voters

You are full of shit, again.

This is an irrelevant appeal in the form of trivial objections. Mass voter fraud has existed in the past, Tammany Hall / Boss Tweed for example. Therefore, mass voter fraud could exist undetected today. Adding protections to help prevent it is never a bad idea.

That is you, interesting to know how one gets the official seal on a wallet size birth certificate, and no one asked me for proof of anything when I went into the service

The only people needing a Real ID, those people who will go out of their way to get one, are those intending to fly, otherwise, why would one? Plus, Real ID’s aren’t proof under the Safe Act

Why should anyone have to “plan ahead” to exercise a Constitutional right tney have been exercising for years if not decades?

And you are again 100% wrong, voter ID fraud has been proven minimal, and actual fraud in elections has never been proven to dramatically effect any election. It is all much to do about nothing

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That is you, interesting to know how one gets the official seal on a wallet size birth certificate, and no one asked me for proof of anything when I went into the service

It's there. Takes up most of the center.

The only people needing a Real ID, those people who will go out of their way to get one, are those intending to fly, otherwise, why would one? Plus, Real ID’s aren’t proof under the Safe Act

Which, more and more, means nearly everybody will end up having to get one.

Why should anyone have to “plan ahead” to exercise a Constitutional right tney have been exercising for years if not decades?

Why shouldn't they? Voting is NOT a constitutional right. Cite in the Constitution where it is.

And you are again 100% wrong, voter ID fraud has been proven minimal, and actual fraud in elections has never been proven to dramatically effect any election. It is all much to do about nothing

I gave you an historical example of mass voter fraud. There have been recent local elections where voter fraud changed the outcome. You are still full of shit.

 

[Damocles]

Well it does unless they nuke the filibuster.

They don't even have to nuke it, they can simply make a one time thing...

 

[Ross Dolan]

Time will tell. We will all find out soon. One thing for sure,...I am on the CORRECT side of this issue,....along with 83% of Americans.

The days of winning the Graveyard vote need to end!

You are not even close to being on the correct side of this issue...and I seriously doubt 83% of Americans are on your side.

 

[FastLane]

They don't even have to nuke it, they can simply make a one time thing...

a tactical nuke.