Salon says the left has an Islam problem

J Craft said:
Exactly so! The majority of Muslims may not be committing acts of terrorism against so called infidels, but the majority do support and condone those that do! In addition, the majority support the oppression of women and putting to death women, homosexuals, and apostates to the faith.
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You want to see ugliness and condoning terrorism, check out Stormfront.org. Over 300,000 members and all of them lusting to wipe blacks off the face of the earth.
 
Thing1 said:
To say that moderate Muslims bear a responsibility for the extremists is just as arbitrary as saying that dudes with moustaches were responsible for Hitler & Stalin.

Personally, I wish religion didn't exist. But as long as it does, I'll support anyone's right to peacefully practice their beliefs - which the majority of adherents to any religion do.
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It is nice to see you lefties find a religion you love. Do you know which way is Mecca?
 
Thing1 said:
To say that moderate Muslims bear a responsibility for the extremists is just as arbitrary as saying that dudes with moustaches were responsible for Hitler & Stalin.

Personally, I wish religion didn't exist. But as long as it does, I'll support anyone's right to peacefully practice their beliefs - which the majority of adherents to any religion do.
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you make this statement like religion is inherently good.
 
christiefan915 said:
You want to see ugliness and condoning terrorism, check out Stormfront.org. Over 300,000 members and all of them lusting to wipe blacks off the face of the earth.
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And that's ugly and hateful. But we are talking about Muslims who are acting on their hateful beliefs now.
 
Rana said:
I don't know who these people associate with, but I have seen a lot of Muslims and liberals addressing extremism, the problem we all have is grouping all Muslims into this group.

Someone mentioned Bill Maher in another thread and I saw a youtube interview he had with Asra Q Nomani and extremist Muslims was the topic.

Reza Aslan also discusses the issues on cable TV.

I discussed the Wahhabist at length during the lead up to the Iraq war and that no one seems to mind the Saudis, Emirates or other who had oil and their human rights issues or their financing questionable organizations and people.

Liberals talk about Islam, but we don't group them all together and we know there is a problem, but it is the extremist, as it is in every ism, that are the rebels, the zealots and those who aren't live and let live types of people that cause the terror, not those who are just trying to go about living their lives, like you and I.
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Simply asserting that radical Islam is just another -ism isn't very constructive. Same goes for declaring war on 'extremism' or terrorism. This sort of thing has gone on under Obama where they've used absurd euphemisms to keep from implicating Islam or Muslims.

The left is the polar opposite of the true xenophobic types who think all Muslims are terrorists. Whereas, thinking people can clearly see that Islam is a unique religion; more importantly, it is unique in some unfortunate ways. Bill Maher gets it, tens of millions of Americans get it [very likely a majority of them]; even a lot of Muslims get it.

About the only people who don't get it---or maybe they refuse to accept it, are most of the media, almost all of the left; especially the hardcore left and most of the government.

The latter is a real problem. They've gone as far as to purge any reference to Islam or the Koran from terrorist training manuals. This is arguably insane. How are people who are supposed to protect Americans from radical Muslims or radical Muslim groups when they are prevented from understanding radical Islamic ideology?

What the bloody F.

I actually think a majority of global Muslims understand that Islam needs an internal reformation. But much of the West wants to maintain their multicultural delusions about religion. Those Muslims are our allies and we do them a disservice by pretending the global problem with radical Islam is a problem of 'terrorism' or 'extremism'.

It's an Islamic problem, that has become a global problem. Whatever the solution is, it's going to start with recognizing the truth.
 
Bill maher says the same thing, dems are pussies!
Like Ben afflick tripping over himself to call Muslim critics racist.
 
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Darth Hussein Omar said:
Simply asserting that radical Islam is just another -ism isn't very constructive. Same goes for declaring war on 'extremism' or terrorism. This sort of thing has gone on under Obama where they've used absurd euphemisms to keep from implicating Islam or Muslims.

The left is the polar opposite of the true xenophobic types who think all Muslims are terrorists. Whereas, thinking people can clearly see that Islam is a unique religion; more importantly, it is unique in some unfortunate ways. Bill Maher gets it, tens of millions of Americans get it [very likely a majority of them]; even a lot of Muslims get it.

About the only people who don't get it---or maybe they refuse to accept it, are most of the media, almost all of the left; especially the hardcore left and most of the government.

The latter is a real problem. They've gone as far as to purge any reference to Islam or the Koran from terrorist training manuals. This is arguably insane. How are people who are supposed to protect Americans from radical Muslims or radical Muslim groups when they are prevented from understanding radical Islamic ideology?

What the bloody F.

I actually think a majority of global Muslims understand that Islam needs an internal reformation. But much of the West wants to maintain their multicultural delusions about religion. Those Muslims are our allies and we do them a disservice by pretending the global problem with radical Islam is a problem of 'terrorism' or 'extremism'.

It's an Islamic problem, that has become a global problem. Whatever the solution is, it's going to start with recognizing the truth.
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Well stated!
 
Islam has been around for 1500 years, we've had problems with Islamic terrorism for maybe 20. Terrorism is not an inherent problem with Islam.
 
Dad of Desh said:
it's not an extremist. Over half the worlds muslims believe you should be killed for leaving the faith. Very large percentages support honor killers for women that are raped. They are not a tiny minority. They are a very sizable portion of muslims worldwide.
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That's none of my business. The only thing I care about is externally focused terrorism.
 
J Craft said:
Exactly so! The majority of Muslims may not be committing acts of terrorism against so called infidels, but the majority do support and condone those that do! In addition, the majority support the oppression of women and putting to death women, homosexuals, and apostates to the faith.
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The majority of Americans support killing civilians in military action. Actually more Americans support killing civilians than in any other country in the world.
 
Borboletta said:
Primogeniture was certainly an aspect of the rivalry between the Houses of Lancaster and York but it was far more complex than that. So to compare the 13 hundred year schism between Shia and Sunni Muslims, over who was the rightful heir to Muhammed, is both simplistic and lazy.
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The rightful heir to Muhammad started the schism but there's a lot more separating them than that. It's sort of like saying the only difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is whether they recognize the pope as the head of the church - not true at all.
 
Underworld King Star said:
Islam has been around for 1500 years, we've had problems with Islamic terrorism for maybe 20. Terrorism is not an inherent problem with Islam.
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This thinking is part of the problem. Islamic terrorism is 'new' only in the sense we call militant Muslims terrorists. Islam has been a religion of conquest and subjugation from very early after its inception. Islam very nearly conquered Europe centuries ago. Muslims were a huge---and consistently under-reported players in the slave trade. The biggest player in the trafficking of humans wasn't white Europeans, but Muslims. And they still do it.

There is nothing new about 'convert to Islam, pay the poll tax as an infidel, or die'. In fact, there's more than ample historical precedent for it. The only thing that's changed are some of the tactics used by the same players and the fact we now call them 'terrorists' or 'radical extremists'.

It's not a new thing; it's a modern iteration of a very old thing. And the sooner the West recognizes it, the better.
 
Underworld King Star said:
The rightful heir to Muhammad started the schism but there's a lot more separating them than that. It's sort of like saying the only difference between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is whether they recognize the pope as the head of the church - not true at all.
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It's the only meaningful difference. If I were in Russia on vacation, I could go to Liturgy at a Russian Orthodox Church, and Rome would recognize everything as valid...
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
This thinking is part of the problem. Islamic terrorism is 'new' only in the sense we call militant Muslims terrorists. Islam has been a religion of conquest and subjugation from very early after its inception. Islam very nearly conquered Europe centuries ago. Muslims were a huge---and consistently under-reported players in the slave trade. The biggest player in the trafficking of humans wasn't white Europeans, but Muslims. And they still do it.

There is nothing new about 'convert to Islam, pay the poll tax as an infidel, or die'. In fact, there's more than ample historical precedent for it. The only thing that's changed are some of the tactics used by the same players and the fact we now call them 'terrorists' or 'radical extremists'.

It's not a new thing; it's a modern iteration of a very old thing. And the sooner the West recognizes it, the better.
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Islam fought with Europe because everyone fights with their neighbors. Stop being a bigoted hysterical ignorant rightist.

No society in history had ever had problems with slavery into the 18th century either. To pretend that it is a unique problem with Islam is ignorance and bigotry of the highest order.
 
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