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[KingCondanomation]

The CBO and the GAO have both given the 1993 ombra the majority of the credit for the surpluses fo the 1990's.

That bill bore not one single R vote.

Then the Rs campaigned on how it would distroy the country (lies of course).

Let's look at the numbers then.
In the first 2 years of Clinton where the Democrats had the presidency, house and senate the debt went up by
$628,129,254,491.66 ($4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994 minus 4,064,620,655,521.66 at end of 1992) or $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

In the next 6 years of Clinton's terms, Republicans controlled the house and senate and the debt went up by $981,428,299,873.54 ($5,674,178,209,886.86 at end of 2000 minus 4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994) or
$163,571,383,312.26 per year
We know this was because they cut welfare, government and subsidies.


So, again when the Republicans controlled the house and senate in the 90's, the debt went up by only $163,571,383,312.26 per year, while when the Democrats controlled everything in the 90's, the debt went up by almost double at $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

All figures shown here:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

 

[KingCondanomation]

I have no clue how anyone can read her stuff, it is beyond stupid as ideology pretending it is literature never works. Boring crap, and selfishness just ain't pretty stuff unless you are ten.

And social darwinism folks has failed, has anyone noticed voodoo economics has failed? A society that worships greed soon fails on its green face.

What measure do we use to value a nation? Is it wealth and greed or is it the greater good. Can't believe anyone can even look at rand's nonsense after the likes of madoff et al. Betcha bernie has her on his shelf. LOL

http://www.politicalpass.com/2007/10/atlas-panted/

I doubt Bernie does, Bernie committed fraud, fraud is not a trademark of free market Capitalism and anyone who does it should be punished. And unfortunately for your silly attempt at pretending you understood and read her, she has stated the same thing:

"The government's only proper job is to protect individual rights against violence by force or fraud … to protect men from foreign invaders … to settle disputes among men according to objective laws … The greatness of the Founding Fathers was how well they understood this issue and how close some of them came to understanding it perfectly." – Ayn Rand

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

There's that disdain for individuality that I was talking about Toohey!
The 20th century has tens of millions of deaths in the name of the common good, from socialism to fascism to communism; how many people has any selfish person killed? Did Rand kill any? Did any of her characters?

 

[Bonestorm]

Let's look at the numbers then.
In the first 2 years of Clinton where the Democrats had the presidency, house and senate the debt went up by
$628,129,254,491.66 ($4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994 minus 4,064,620,655,521.66 at end of 1992) or $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

In the next 6 years of Clinton's terms, Republicans controlled the house and senate and the debt went up by $981,428,299,873.54 ($5,674,178,209,886.86 at end of 2000 minus 4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994) or
$163,571,383,312.26 per year
We know this was because they cut welfare, government and subsidies.


So, again when the Republicans controlled the house and senate in the 90's, the debt went up by only $163,571,383,312.26 per year, while when the Democrats controlled everything in the 90's, the debt went up by almost double at $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

All figures shown here:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

Why look to the 1990s? Are we supposed to pretend the past 8 years never happened?

 

[KingCondanomation]

Why look to the 1990s? Are we supposed to pretend the past 8 years never happened?

Not at all, just Desh's original comment was about some made up number of the last 30 years Repubs haven't been fiscally responsible. That was not true.

 

[evince]

Let's look at the numbers then.
In the first 2 years of Clinton where the Democrats had the presidency, house and senate the debt went up by
$628,129,254,491.66 ($4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994 minus 4,064,620,655,521.66 at end of 1992) or $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

In the next 6 years of Clinton's terms, Republicans controlled the house and senate and the debt went up by $981,428,299,873.54 ($5,674,178,209,886.86 at end of 2000 minus 4,692,749,910,013.32 at end of 1994) or
$163,571,383,312.26 per year
We know this was because they cut welfare, government and subsidies.


So, again when the Republicans controlled the house and senate in the 90's, the debt went up by only $163,571,383,312.26 per year, while when the Democrats controlled everything in the 90's, the debt went up by almost double at $314,064,627,245.83 per year.

All figures shown here:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

your link doenst work.

 

[Bonestorm]

Not at all, just Desh's original comment was about some made up number of the last 30 years Repubs haven't been fiscally responsible. That was not true.

Yes it is.

They aren't "fiscally responsible." They believe in tax cuts. That's about it. That's not fiscally responsible.

And in the 1990s spending increased at roughly the same level it had before the Republicans took control of the House. The only difference was not on the spending side of things but the revenue side of things thanks to the tax increases passed by the Democrats in 1993 and the improving economy.

 

[midcan5]

I doubt Bernie does, Bernie committed fraud, fraud is not a trademark of free market Capitalism and anyone who does it should be punished. And unfortunately for your silly attempt at pretending you understood and read her, she has stated the same thing:

"The government's only proper job is to protect individual rights against violence by force or fraud … to protect men from foreign invaders … to settle disputes among men according to objective laws … The greatness of the Founding Fathers was how well they understood this issue and how close some of them came to understanding it perfectly." – Ayn Rand


There's that disdain for individuality that I was talking about Toohey!
The 20th century has tens of millions of deaths in the name of the common good, from socialism to fascism to communism; how many people has any selfish person killed? Did Rand kill any? Did any of her characters?

Do you really mean to say the government is going to be objective and settle matters that constitute unfair labor or business practices? You'd be the first to complain. And please, bernie represents your philosophy as does enron, worldcom, and a host of others. They aren't liberals. Another extrapolation one can make is communism grew out of the failure of capitalism as did fascism and it was only FDR whose ideas prevented it from gaining root in this country. And ideas don't kill people it is what people do with ideas that kill. You said the same.


"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." Ayn Rand

 

[Mott the Hoople]

She is one of the most highly overrated writers in modern history.

The only people I have ever met that liked her were the ones who bought the philosophy she pushed.


They are fantasy ideas.

No that would be me. Damn my Agent! I think "Bannana's on the Radiator" was a great title for a novel!

 

[Beefy]

I fail to realize how saying Repubs were bad but Dems will be (and now are) worse means I am marrying myself or even giving Repubs praise.

Bush's worst budget had a $455 billion deficit (and that was with a Dem run congress), Obama's first budget has a $1.75 trillion deficit. Yes the left is worse and that is a large fiscal difference.

If you really, really want to see politicians change, a good place to start is to encourage and point out those who are good or better so they actually have a reason to change. Lumping hundreds of them together into some uniform blob of fiscal irresponsilibity betrays what is at the core of being a Libertarian - to judge others as individuals.
I'm sure you can remember as a child perhaps yourself or some lone kid who did not do what others did but still ended up getting equal blame, if it happens often enough, one might ask what would be the point in trying to be good?

Come on Dano. Is this an honest, apples to apples comparison? Is it?

Bush's last "Budget" did not include the $400 or so billion for his wars, nor did it include his $700 billion bail out. His real deficit is to the tune of $1.5 trillion, and the fact that he used Enron accounting doesn't change a thing. Be honest here.

Yes, the defecit is larger this year than it was last year. And the spending foundation is twice what it was before 8 years of Republican Presidency and 6 years of republican congressional majority.

Yeah, lets be honest here. They're all fucked in the head. So stop cheerleading one side. they're one and the same. You know this. You know about the bullshit accounting, yet you choose to omit Bush's wars and stimulus.

Why would you do that? Hmmmmm.