Ryan: Don't interfere with legalized medical pot

I'm not looking for the perfect .. I'm looking for what repesents my values. Neither Obama nor Romney represent my values.

As a citizen, if it isn't there, then I must work and fight to build it.


How is it a fight can be won without any ability to change a thing?
 
How is it a fight can be won without any ability to change a thing?

The ability to change doesn't come from slogans. It comes from doing the work to build change.

There will be over 90 million Americans who won't vote .. most of whom see no change in either party.

Many of us are working to build that difference.
 
now you're moving the goal posts.

just because i disagree with your opinion, does not mean i am not being honest. stop being such a jerk.

I didn't move the goalposts. I asked you for an honest opinion .. and I acknowledged that fact that you may not have the ability to see what is CLEARLY obvious, what is clearly honest.
 
It was proper because as you know .. had Obama put forth a sane policy on marijuana the right would have attacked him BECAUSE he is black. You would have seen cartoons and images of black people smoking weed and connecting them to Obama all over the place .. the south in particular.

Be honest .. you know this is true.

lol.....this from the guy who pretends he doesn't bring up race....still pretending I lied about that, child?.....
 
Much love for you brother. Seriously, you and I have known each other for several years. We can fight the good fight and still come away with respect.
Yes...sometimes it's like looking in the mirror, and arguing.

That being said :0) .. this issue is one of the most glaring examples of where you give up control of your critical mind and give over to the system. I say that with no disrespect, but rather with clear and honest analysis.
I disagree. You have to be careful when you read my position here. I'm aware of exactly what Obama said re. medical marijuana in '08.


Quotes from the campaign trail
“My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that’s something I’m open to because there’s no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain. But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed.” — November 24, 2007 town hall meeting in Iowa

“I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It’s not a good use of our resources.” — August 21, 2007, event in Nashua, New Hampshire

“I don’t think that should be a top priority of us, raiding people who are using ... medical marijuana. With all the things we’ve got to worry about, and our Justice Department should be doing, that probably shouldn’t be a high priority.” — June 2, 2007, town hall meeting in Laconia, New Hampshire

“You know, it’s really not a good use of Justice Department resources.” — responding to whether the federal government should stop medical marijuana raids, August 13, 2007, town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire

“The Justice Department going after sick individuals using [marijuana] as a palliative instead of going after serious criminals makes no sense.” — July 21, 2007, town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire


Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/promises-117589-campaign-marijuana.html#ixzz261DWsq8U
A day after Obama's inauguration, marijuana advocates decided that it was open season on marijuana production.

I can't find my links for the actual numbers, but I'm sure you'll agree that the number of dispensaries, grow operations, and especially mm patients had increased geometrically since Jan. '09.

You are aware that the mm industry is against legalization? That would seriously screw with their profits. Likewise for ALL of the growers. (who voted against prop. 19)

The executive director for NORML calls medical marijuana a scam.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/01/norml_owes_the_medical_marijuana_community_an_apol.php

Now, I don't agree that marijuana has no medicinal value. In fact, I advocate for its use for a variety of ills.

That isn't the issue here. The issue, is that the majority of so called 'medical' marijuana patients are simply trying to skirt existing marijuana laws.

Maybe you missed my discussion with Cosmic? Right now, I have some of Cal's finest medical marijuana in my freezer. It was Fed Exed to my buddy, after a patient in Cal. purchased it with his/his wife's legal cards, and instantly sent it to friends in NY.


This isn't about patients who really need it. It's about the other 90% of the patients.




And I'd ask you about Obama's '08 position on gay marriage, vs. his new position?

Some changes are positive, and some are not so easy to judge.
 
POST WHERE I SAID THAT DUMMY.

Can't do it .. then you're a LIAR again.

dude, it's only been a couple of days......how could you have forgotten already.....you remember the thread.....I quoted you as saying "we bring it up" and then you said "I don't bring it up"....and I asked you why the contradiction and you said "You lie!".....and now, here you are bringing it up.....go figure.....
 
until it is taken off the top schedual as a drug then by law Obama or any president has to follow the laws.


They have a duty to make sure the MJ dispensories are distributing legally and within the laws that exsist.

Do you really think NO ONE complains about these dispensories in the communities in which they exsist.


What do you think the right would have done to Obama if he pulled MJ off the drug list in his first term?
there have been no criminal charges filed aganst Harborside(or most other clinics), Obama simply chose the path of the Cole memo -rather then the Ogden memo.

I've had thread running for months "weed wars" under general politics,,if you read it the concept that"big is bad" (dispensarys) drive this madness in the beginning, now it's a genaralized witch hunt.

So sativex can replace medical marijuana next year after FDA clinical trails.

Unreal. I post a thread with almost 2000 views, and the disinformation continues.
Maybe i'll have to stop by more often.....but i doubt it would help. some are too worried about the "burnouts" then patient access.

You know someone might smoke weed for a non medical use, if we don't use the USDA'a and the DEA at full force. Horrid!

I'll try to come by and undercut some of this crap ASAP. the ignorance is apalling.

PS -Ryan isn't suddenly a nice guy -he just sees MMarijuana as a federalist issue, and while the DEA can reach into state law-it's not required to,

Until Holder (Obama) changed the memo. It starts and ends there. If you can't follow that -you aren't going to get the intentions.
 
Yes...sometimes it's like looking in the mirror, and arguing.

I disagree. You have to be careful when you read my position here. I'm aware of exactly what Obama said re. medical marijuana in '08.



A day after Obama's inauguration, marijuana advocates decided that it was open season on marijuana production.

I can't find my links for the actual numbers, but I'm sure you'll agree that the number of dispensaries, grow operations, and especially mm patients had increased geometrically since Jan. '09.

You are aware that the mm industry is against legalization? That would seriously screw with their profits. Likewise for ALL of the growers. (who voted against prop. 19)

The executive director for NORML calls medical marijuana a scam.

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/01/norml_owes_the_medical_marijuana_community_an_apol.php

Now, I don't agree that marijuana has no medicinal value. In fact, I advocate for its use for a variety of ills.

That isn't the issue here. The issue, is that the majority of so called 'medical' marijuana patients are simply trying to skirt existing marijuana laws.

Maybe you missed my discussion with Cosmic? Right now, I have some of Cal's finest medical marijuana in my freezer. It was Fed Exed to my buddy, after a patient in Cal. purchased it with his/his wife's legal cards, and instantly sent it to friends in NY.


This isn't about patients who really need it. It's about the other 90% of the patients.

And I'd ask you about Obama's '08 position on gay marriage, vs. his new position?

Some changes are positive, and some are not so easy to judge.

Uh Huh. still peddling that fish story? It may or may not have been about "patients whom really need it" at the beginning but it clearly is now.

Over 600 dispensarys, in Ca alone are under RICO threat of closure -all without a shred of evidence of criminal activity.

It IS about patient access now! You keep bringing up some dude whom got Ca weed shipped to him.
My dealer did thesame -somehow the country survives. Is all this worth stoping a few abuses -afterall ANY DRUG DISTRIBUTION WILL HAVE DIVERSIONS -
we've seen in in pills. Do we just close pharmacys( which are the equivalent of a dispensary)???

Taken as a whole, i' d rather see some diversions in marijuana then Oxy. Marijuana diversons don't bother me -lack of sick ppls need to their medical weed is inhumane, and against everything Buddhism teaches about compassion.

Look at the clip I posted on "weed wars" of the patients at HArborside -page before last page -do they look like "burnouts" to you?

They just look sick and desperate to me.
 
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There is very likely some planning going on to put together a system that can not be easily infilitrated by the Mexican drug gangs.


There are very likely some things we as the people are not being told because it would screw with this ability to set up a system that can do this

It is very likely that you should be committed and heavily sedated.
 
LMFAO... this it TOO rich!

So pinhead liberals are here decrying their own party's War on Pot being waged by the Obama Justice Department, while the GOP candidate for VP is saying we should leave the medical marijuana alone and move along. Of course, we're the prudes who won't let you toke it up! We're the ones standing in the way of progress! We're the bible-thumping zealots who won't let you get stoned!

Man... if I didn't know better, it is almost as if the first Obama term has been somehow morphed into a Republican presidency, and the second Obama term promises to be the Liberal Salvation from that! Do you REALLY believe America is THIS stupid???
yes were "this stupid" -any nation that has it's LONGEST war in history (afPak), and still no way out without total collapse, and that person says "we got bin Laden" while the trained seal,patisians clap ..is indeed "that stupid"
 
I don't disagree that Ryan can't be trusted. But obviously Obama has proven that he can't be trusted either.
Ryan can be trusted on this matter, it dovetails with federalism -ananthema to liberals, and big gov't conservatives alike.

The reason Ryan is saying "leave the states alone, is he doesn't beleive the Fed's should intrude on states sovereinty -or more correctly the core idea of federalism.

You want change?? It comes from the states - " the laboratory of democracy" **
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories_of_democracy


** U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis popularized the concept, in his dissenting opinion in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann 285 U.S. 262 (1932),[1] in which he stated that "It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country."
 
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If they're breaking the law, they should be tried, convicted and sent away. The law isn't some kind of guideline. People seem to have gotten it into their heads that if they don't like a law(traffic, city, drug) they can just ignore it, then they get angry when the police don't agree.

Who said anything about being angry at the police. These are federales violating the law of California and the Constitution to enforce the REGULATIONS of unelected bureaucrats.

A patriot should disobey unjust laws and certainly unjust regulation, or at least support those that do.
 
Over 600 dispensarys, in Ca alone are under RICO threat of closure -all without a shred of evidence of criminal activity.

Oh, but didn't you hear? If Obama get's re-elected, he will legalize pot in his second term... he just couldn't do it in his first because the righties would have gone bonkers on him.... (never mind that the right has supported virtually nothing he has done.) Yes, if Obama wins re-election, you will have legal weed, gay marriage, taxes on the rich, a dismantling of the military, and everything a liberal has always dreamed of! Just go vote for Obama, and you'll see.. it WILL happen!! You have Desh's word on it!!
 
Uh Huh. still peddling that fish story? It may or may not have been about "patients whom really need it" at the beginning but it clearly is now.

Over 600 dispensarys, in Ca alone are under RICO threat of closure -all without a shred of evidence of criminal activity.

That's funny. You think it takes 600 dispensaries to supply the handful of patients who actually have a need for medical marijuana?

Are you aware that many cities passed legislation before Obama was elected that regulates the explosion of medical marijuana?

It's Wiki, so I don't know how accurate all of this is. The problem with searching for info, is that the first 20 pages are full of whiners such as yourself. They skew the facts to make their case.

One video claimed that Obama declared that marijuana is just as dangerous as morphine. I posted his real comments in a previous post.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Marijuana_dispensaries_in_California

Some cities in California have adopted ordinances that say that businesses operating within city limits must comply with federal law as well as state and local laws as a way to keep marijuana-growing businesses out of their cities. For example, the city of Lindsay passed a medical marijuana ordinance in January 2006 that says, "Legal Use of Land: No use of land, under this title, shall be permitted within the City Limits if such use shall be in violation of any local, state or federal law

Many cities just don't want the influx of this industry.



It IS about patient access now! You keep bringing up some dude whom got Ca weed shipped to him
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And you keep ignoring the fact that most patients don't need 'medical' marijuana for anything other than an end run around existing drug laws.

If you were interested, you'd spend some time wading through the bullshit links, and find numbers re. the mm scams in EVERY state with legalized mm.
My dealer did thesame -somehow the country survives. Is all this worth stoping a few abuses -afterall ANY DRUG DISTRIBUTION WILL HAVE DIVERSIONS
-Different topic. I'm for decriminalization...not legalization. Neither has anything to do with THIS topic
we've seen in in pills. Do we just close pharmacys( which are the equivalent of a dispensary)???

Pharmacies carry a variety of drugs. What do dispensaries carry? We don't close pharmacies. We prosecute those who obtain/dispense controlled substances illegally.

Do you want Holder to arrest the stoners with illegally obtained medical weed? Obama said he didn't want to do that, and he hasn't.


Taken as a whole, i' d rather see some diversions in marijuana then Oxy. Marijuana diversons don't bother me -lack of sick ppls need to their medical weed is inhumane, and against everything Buddhism teaches about compassion
.Me too. That's not what this discussion is about.

Look at the clip I posted on "weed wars" of the patients at HArborside -page before last page -do they look like "burnouts" to you?

They just look sick and desperate to me.
I'm sure they do. And as usual, 90% of the problems are caused by those who try to abuse the system.

Why no anger against them?
 
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