Russia's plans are now 'doomed' as Putin 'awakens sleeping giant'

Hawkeye10 said:
Fighting for the Ukrainian oligarchs against the Russian oligarchs is one way to spend time.
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It's a grand thing. we made them the good (western) guys and unacceptable threat to Russian red lines..
So we put on their white hats and rode to their rescue when the bad guys showed up
 
dukkha said:
It's a grand thing. we made them the good (western) guys and unacceptable threat to Russian red lines..
So we put on their white hats and rode to their rescue when the bad guys showed up
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Not understanding what is actually going on in reality, and not caring ether.

Fuck that noise.

Adult Time!
 
dukkha said:
It's a grand thing. we made them the good (western) guys and unacceptable threat to Russian red lines..
So we put on their white hats and rode to their rescue when the bad guys showed up
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The only good thing to come out of this is that we all know that Putin is a monster and cannot be trusted. The Kremlin is run by hoodlums, surely the Litvinenko poisoning with polonium 210 and the Skripal poisonings with Novichok ought to tell you that.
 
Primavera said:
Why, don't you think that the Ukranians are clever enough to operate them?

https://pantheon.world/profile/occupation/chess-player/country/ukraine
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Salo Flohr was Czech not Ukrainian.
I self played his games ( the old days when we had softback chess books and the hardback MCO -you set up a board and read the moves and played the pieces) after I played Capablanca's

Capa is a good writer as well and explains his own the moves. Capy never studies though -he was a natural

Salomon Mikhailovich Flohr (November 21, 1908 – July 18, 1983) was a Czechoslovak and Soviet chess player and writer. He was among the first recipients of the title International Grandmaster from FIDE in 1950. Flohr dominated many tournaments of the pre-World War II years, and by the late 1930s was considered a contender for the World Championship. However, his patient, positional style was overtaken by the sharper, more tactical methods of the younger Soviet echelon after World War II.
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Nice link. i'll drift thru.. I need to play again,but I got regularly beaten by kids at the club -
i just figured it was time to cut the loses
 
dukkha said:
Salo Flohr was Czech not Ukrainian.
I self played his games ( the old days when we had softback chess books and the hardback MCO -you set up a board and read the moves and played the pieces) after I played Capablanca's

Capa is a good writer as well and explains his own the moves. Capy never studies though -he was a natural

Salomon Mikhailovich Flohr (November 21, 1908 – July 18, 1983) was a Czechoslovak and Soviet chess player and writer. He was among the first recipients of the title International Grandmaster from FIDE in 1950. Flohr dominated many tournaments of the pre-World War II years, and by the late 1930s was considered a contender for the World Championship. However, his patient, positional style was overtaken by the sharper, more tactical methods of the younger Soviet echelon after World War II.
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Nice link. i'll drift thru.. I need to play again,but I got regularly beaten by kids at the club -
i just figured it was time to cut the loses
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He was born in the Ukraine but had to leave because of the pogroms.

FLOHR, SALOFLOHR, SALO (Solomon Mikhailovitch ; 1908-1983), Russian chess prodigy. Flohr, who was born in the Ukraine, escaped from a pogrom at an early age and found refuge in Czechoslovakia, which he represented in chess matches. He won several masters' tournaments between 1929 and 1939, went to Moscow during World War ii, and became one of the leading Soviet grand masters

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/flohr-salo
 
Primavera said:
He was born in the Ukraine but had to leave because of the pogroms.

FLOHR, SALOFLOHR, SALO (Solomon Mikhailovitch ; 1908-1983), Russian chess prodigy. Flohr, who was born in the Ukraine, escaped from a pogrom at an early age and found refuge in Czechoslovakia, which he represented in chess matches. He won several masters' tournaments between 1929 and 1939, went to Moscow during World War ii, and became one of the leading Soviet grand masters

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/flohr-salo
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as to your point if we are giving ( i suppose still under the fiction of lend lease) Predators to Kyiv
then I guess we would train them. I dont know the tech requirement to fly them but if Uk operators then a control room would be in Ukraine.

Ortherwise we are flying the Predators - USA personnel in the middle of the Ukraine war with Russia.
At this point it's an academic question since its "our war" either way, but i was wondering if there were any limits
on escalation by the USA
 
dukkha said:
as to your point if we are giving ( i suppose still under the fiction of lend lease) Predators to Kyiv
then I guess we would train them. I dont know the tech requirement to fly them but if Uk operators then a control room would be in Ukraine.

Ortherwise we are flying the Predators - USA personnel in the middle of the Ukraine war with Russia.
At this point it's an academic question since its "our war" either way, but i was wondering if there were any limits on escalation by the USA
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I'm sure any pilot, or even a games enthusiast, could learn how to control a MQ-9A drone easily enough. Most likely the drone would fly into the Ukraine and be handed off to Ukrainian controllers. They have a 1000 nautical mile range and a ceiling of 50000 ft.
 
Primavera said:
I'm sure any pilot, or even a games enthusiast, could learn how to control a MQ-9A drone easily enough. Most likely the drone would fly into the Ukraine and be handed off to Ukrainian controllers. They have a 1000 nautical mile range and a ceiling of 50000 ft.
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maybe. so these are US drones being flown into Uk airspace by US controllers
"Our war" gets more and more USA involvement as well as using all our top weapons
in our war against Russia
 
dukkha said:
maybe. so these are US drones being flown into Uk airspace by US controllers
"Our war" gets more and more USA involvement as well as using all our top weapons
in our war against Russia
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Maybe they are coming by train, road, air freight or sea even. You do know, I presume, that China is sending supplies to Russia?
 
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ExpressLane said:
Ukraine has a population of 43 million men and women are fighting to save their homeland. Russians are fighting for a power happy madman. Who do you think fights harder?
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Ironic, coming from a Trump fellator. :thinking:

All the more ironic, given Trump's relationship to and with this very same "power happy madman".
 
dukkha said:
That means we operate the drones? we 're not even playing proxy anymore are we?
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I'm pretty sure we are training Ukrainian personnel to operate every piece of equipment we are supplying them with.

dukkha said:
Max Boot says the same

This isn’t just Ukraine’s war. It’s our war, too.- Max Boot
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You are purposely taking that statement grossly out of context to make it agree with your false premise.

When he said "It's our war, too", he didn't mean we were actively involved in combat operations as you've erroneously suggested.

He meant that we all have a stake in its outcome.

That helping Ukraine is helping us all, and by "our", he didn't just mean the US.

He meant the entire Western world.

And he's right.
 
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