Russians sent millions to Clinton Foundation for uranium deal. Who's "colluding" now?
- Thread starter anatta
- Start date
"Our task was to set Americans against their own government"
'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
A person who worked for the Russian "troll farm," Internet Research Agency (IRA), revealed in an interview with independent Russian news outlet, Dozhd, what it was like at the organization.
The secretive*factory had several components, including a "Russian desk," a "foreign desk," a "Facebook desk," and a "Department of Provocations," according to the former troll, who went by the name, "Maxim."
The Russian desk operated bots and trolls that used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump messages and made-up news.
The foreign desk was more sophisticated, where trolls were required to learn the nuances of American politics in order to "rock the boat" on divisive issues.
"Our task was to set Americans against their own government," Maxim said, "to provoke unrest and discontent."
Recently-revealed details about how an infamous Russian "troll farm" operated and its role in Russia's disinformation campaign shed new light on Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential race.
One former troll, who was interviewed by the independent Russian news outlet Dozhd and went by "Maxim," or Max, spoke of his experience working for the Internet Research Agency, a well-researched Russian "troll farm" located in St. Petersburg, whose function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda and sow political discord in nations perceived as hostile to Russia.
The secretive firm is bankrolled by Yevgeny Prigozhin, CNN reported, a Russian oligarch and close ally of President Vladimir Putin.
Up to a third of the IRA's staff was tasked with interfering in US political conversation during the 2016 election, according to an investigation conducted by Russian news agency RBC and detailed by Meduza.
The foreign desk had a more sophisticated purpose, according to Max, who worked in that department. "It’s not just writing ‘Obama is a monkey’ and ‘Putin is great.’ They’ll even fine you for that kind of [primitive] stuff," he told Dozhd. In fact, those who worked for the foreign desk were restricted from spreading pro-Russia propaganda. Rather, Max said, their job was more qualitative and was geared towards understanding the "nuances" of American politics to "rock the boat" on divisive issues like gun control and LGBT rights.
"Our goal wasn’t to turn the Americans toward Russia," he added. "Our task was to set Americans against their own government: to provoke unrest and discontent, and to lower Obama’s support ratings."
The IRA had an entire department, called the "Department of Provocations," that was dedicated to that goal: its primary objective was to disseminate fake news and sow discord in the West, according to CNN.
The troll farm also had its own "Facebook desk," whose function was to relentlessly push back against the platform's administrators who deleted fake accounts as they began gaining traction. When IRA employees argued against having their accounts deleted, Max said, Facebook staffers would write back, "You are trolls." The trolls would in turn invoke the First Amendment right to free speech — occasionally, they won the arguments.
The IRA, Max told Dozhd, consisted of a "Russian desk" and a "foreign desk." The Russian desk was primarily made up of bots and trolls, which used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump agitprop and made-up news throughout the campaign, especially in the days leading up to the election.
continued
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-troll-russia-disinformation-campaign-trump-2017-10
'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
A person who worked for the Russian "troll farm," Internet Research Agency (IRA), revealed in an interview with independent Russian news outlet, Dozhd, what it was like at the organization.
The secretive*factory had several components, including a "Russian desk," a "foreign desk," a "Facebook desk," and a "Department of Provocations," according to the former troll, who went by the name, "Maxim."
The Russian desk operated bots and trolls that used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump messages and made-up news.
The foreign desk was more sophisticated, where trolls were required to learn the nuances of American politics in order to "rock the boat" on divisive issues.
"Our task was to set Americans against their own government," Maxim said, "to provoke unrest and discontent."
Recently-revealed details about how an infamous Russian "troll farm" operated and its role in Russia's disinformation campaign shed new light on Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential race.
One former troll, who was interviewed by the independent Russian news outlet Dozhd and went by "Maxim," or Max, spoke of his experience working for the Internet Research Agency, a well-researched Russian "troll farm" located in St. Petersburg, whose function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda and sow political discord in nations perceived as hostile to Russia.
The secretive firm is bankrolled by Yevgeny Prigozhin, CNN reported, a Russian oligarch and close ally of President Vladimir Putin.
Up to a third of the IRA's staff was tasked with interfering in US political conversation during the 2016 election, according to an investigation conducted by Russian news agency RBC and detailed by Meduza.
The foreign desk had a more sophisticated purpose, according to Max, who worked in that department. "It’s not just writing ‘Obama is a monkey’ and ‘Putin is great.’ They’ll even fine you for that kind of [primitive] stuff," he told Dozhd. In fact, those who worked for the foreign desk were restricted from spreading pro-Russia propaganda. Rather, Max said, their job was more qualitative and was geared towards understanding the "nuances" of American politics to "rock the boat" on divisive issues like gun control and LGBT rights.
"Our goal wasn’t to turn the Americans toward Russia," he added. "Our task was to set Americans against their own government: to provoke unrest and discontent, and to lower Obama’s support ratings."
The IRA had an entire department, called the "Department of Provocations," that was dedicated to that goal: its primary objective was to disseminate fake news and sow discord in the West, according to CNN.
The troll farm also had its own "Facebook desk," whose function was to relentlessly push back against the platform's administrators who deleted fake accounts as they began gaining traction. When IRA employees argued against having their accounts deleted, Max said, Facebook staffers would write back, "You are trolls." The trolls would in turn invoke the First Amendment right to free speech — occasionally, they won the arguments.
The IRA, Max told Dozhd, consisted of a "Russian desk" and a "foreign desk." The Russian desk was primarily made up of bots and trolls, which used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump agitprop and made-up news throughout the campaign, especially in the days leading up to the election.
continued
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-troll-russia-disinformation-campaign-trump-2017-10
Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting was acting 'as an agent' of the Kremlin
New memo suggests Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting was acting 'as an agent' of the Kremlin
The Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials at Trump Tower brought with her a memo that echoed Kremlin talking points.
The man whom the memo targeted said it suggests she was acting as an "agent" of the Kremlin rather than independently.
The memo sheds new light on the meeting, which included Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner.
The Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign chairman last June at Trump Tower brought a memo with her to that meeting that contained many of the same talking points as one written by*the Russian prosecutor's office*two months earlier.
The memo*Natalia Veselnitskaya provided to the Trump campaign last year focused on*banker-turned-human rights activist Bill Browder, whose reputation has become inextricably linked to the global human-rights campaign he launched in 2009 after tax lawyer*Sergei Magnitsky died in a Russian prison.
Magnitsky*was thrown in jail and beaten to death after*he discovered a*$230 million tax fraud scheme that implicated high-level Kremlin officials, Browder says. The US passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 that sanctioned high-level Russian officials accused of human rights abuses and corruption.*
In her memo, which was obtained in full by Foreign Policy, Veselnitskaya described Browder as*"a fugitive criminal accused of tax fraud in Russia ... who in 1998 renounced US citizenship for tax reasons."
She called Browder's story about Magnitsky "never-existent" and said the Magnitsky Act was the product of "a massive three-year lobbying campaign" that began "a new round of the Cold War between" the US and Russia.
The memo further alleged that Browder's "largest investor was Ziff Brothers Investments," which helped him buy up Gazprom shares and bypass restrictions imposed by the Kremlin on foreign direct investment in the early 2000s.
"The scheme employed to buy shares not only allowed them to be purchased at prices 1.5 times lower than it should have been, through American depositary receipts, but also allowed the investors and their consultants to avoid state control and monitoring of sources of capital," Veselnitskaya's memo said.
The*document's*language closely mirrored the contents of a memo provided to Republican US Rep. Dana Rohrabacher by the office of Russia's chief federal prosecutor Yuri Chaika while Rohrabacher was in Moscow last*April.*
http://www.businessinsider.com/veselnitskaya-memo-trump-tower-russia-meeting-2017-10
New memo suggests Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting was acting 'as an agent' of the Kremlin
The Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials at Trump Tower brought with her a memo that echoed Kremlin talking points.
The man whom the memo targeted said it suggests she was acting as an "agent" of the Kremlin rather than independently.
The memo sheds new light on the meeting, which included Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner.
The Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign chairman last June at Trump Tower brought a memo with her to that meeting that contained many of the same talking points as one written by*the Russian prosecutor's office*two months earlier.
The memo*Natalia Veselnitskaya provided to the Trump campaign last year focused on*banker-turned-human rights activist Bill Browder, whose reputation has become inextricably linked to the global human-rights campaign he launched in 2009 after tax lawyer*Sergei Magnitsky died in a Russian prison.
Magnitsky*was thrown in jail and beaten to death after*he discovered a*$230 million tax fraud scheme that implicated high-level Kremlin officials, Browder says. The US passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 that sanctioned high-level Russian officials accused of human rights abuses and corruption.*
In her memo, which was obtained in full by Foreign Policy, Veselnitskaya described Browder as*"a fugitive criminal accused of tax fraud in Russia ... who in 1998 renounced US citizenship for tax reasons."
She called Browder's story about Magnitsky "never-existent" and said the Magnitsky Act was the product of "a massive three-year lobbying campaign" that began "a new round of the Cold War between" the US and Russia.
The memo further alleged that Browder's "largest investor was Ziff Brothers Investments," which helped him buy up Gazprom shares and bypass restrictions imposed by the Kremlin on foreign direct investment in the early 2000s.
"The scheme employed to buy shares not only allowed them to be purchased at prices 1.5 times lower than it should have been, through American depositary receipts, but also allowed the investors and their consultants to avoid state control and monitoring of sources of capital," Veselnitskaya's memo said.
The*document's*language closely mirrored the contents of a memo provided to Republican US Rep. Dana Rohrabacher by the office of Russia's chief federal prosecutor Yuri Chaika while Rohrabacher was in Moscow last*April.*
http://www.businessinsider.com/veselnitskaya-memo-trump-tower-russia-meeting-2017-10
Darth Omar
Russian asset
How could he, when he would be one of the subjects in the investigation lol?
Mueller can't investigate himself. He shouldn't even be the head of an investigation that involves Comey in any way. This thing has the potential to blow the wheels off Mueller's investigation.
I wish that was true..more likely Mueller will do his dirty work,Congress will call Comey and that will be that.
I think you are right -Sessions needs to investigate Mueller and this incestuous pile of prosecutors
Darth Omar
Russian asset
But I think having Mueller as a subject of investigation would throw a wrench into the works.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Yet another insane Trumpette.
You gumpies have been running from real news and FACTS since the orange buffoon took office.
.. but you think people with brains should pay attention to the bullshit you believe. :0) Moronic
Русский агент
Путин - мl
Was that something you read in a comic book, or perhaps it was gleaned from a miniseries you saw once on Canadian cable?
Shut up, Communist.
blackascrap can't even tell you what Trump Russian collusion means
but his racist a$$ will climb on the soap box and yell fake news when you show him actual printed word on Mueller, Obama, Clinton dirt.
the fact that Hillary gave Russia our uranium is not even debated , that's a matter of record.
Stupid as usual.
"Trump’s reference was to Russia’s nuclear power agency buying a controlling interest in a Toronto-based company. That company has mines, mills and tracts of land in Wyoming, Utah and other U.S. states equal to about 20 percent of U.S. uranium production capacity (not produced uranium).
Clinton was secretary of state at the time, but she didn’t have the power to approve or reject the deal. The State Department was only one of nine federal agencies that signed off on the deal, and only President Barack Obama had the power to veto it."
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-trump-repeats-his-mostly-false-claim-about-/
Politifact is not a very reputable news source. They are a project started about 10 years ago by the Tampa Bay Times.
PolitiFact says, “Given that Russia doesn’t have the licenses to export uranium outside the United States, it was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer, our colleagues said.”
However, according to The New York Times, that is patently false.
As The New York Times disputed Politifact last fall...
“The commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellow cake to Canada even though it does not have an export license.”
Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license — which they do not have — yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.
Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that “to the best of our knowledge” most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn, nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.
The “no export” assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom’s subsidiary, ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
NYT Sept. 2016
PolitiFact says, “Given that Russia doesn’t have the licenses to export uranium outside the United States, it was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer, our colleagues said.”
However, according to The New York Times, that is patently false.
As The New York Times disputed Politifact last fall...
“The commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellow cake to Canada even though it does not have an export license.”
Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license — which they do not have — yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.
Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license. A commission spokesman said that “to the best of our knowledge” most of the uranium sent to Canada for processing was returned for use in the United States. A Uranium One spokeswoman, Donna Wichers, said 25 percent had gone to Western Europe and Japan. At the moment, with the uranium market in a downturn, nothing is being shipped from the Wyoming mines.
The “no export” assurance given at the time of the Rosatom deal is not the only one that turned out to be less than it seemed. Despite pledges to the contrary, Uranium One was delisted from the Toronto Stock Exchange and taken private. As of 2013, Rosatom’s subsidiary, ARMZ, owned 100 percent of it.
NYT Sept. 2016
What is important is the timing and the venue. With Julian Assange promising a big data dump and Hillary running her mouth in England, attacking everyone, especially Assange, the release of this article screams that the rats are leaving the sinking ship S.S. Clinton.
++
The attempt to pillory Trump as a Russian stooge has been nothing less than a blatant psy-op designed to muddy the waters and hide the clear Russian-Clinton connection in the Rosatom scandal, a scandal covered up by the coordinated action of the Obama Executive branch.
This is a lie of such epic proportions that the accusations and use of public funds to investigate an obvious phantasm should by itself lead to indictments.
Because the real collusion story here is that Hillary and high-ranking members of Obama’s administration were guilty not only of espionage and, possibly treason, but also conspiracy to cover-up the entire thing by keeping the FBI investigation open and therefore out of view of both the public and Congress.
From The Hill article:
Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefitting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions
++
The attempt to pillory Trump as a Russian stooge has been nothing less than a blatant psy-op designed to muddy the waters and hide the clear Russian-Clinton connection in the Rosatom scandal, a scandal covered up by the coordinated action of the Obama Executive branch.
This is a lie of such epic proportions that the accusations and use of public funds to investigate an obvious phantasm should by itself lead to indictments.
Because the real collusion story here is that Hillary and high-ranking members of Obama’s administration were guilty not only of espionage and, possibly treason, but also conspiracy to cover-up the entire thing by keeping the FBI investigation open and therefore out of view of both the public and Congress.
From The Hill article:
Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefitting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions
Getin the ring
Verified User
precisely, and the American people, by and large, are not that stupid as to not see the Corruption, years of corruption emitting from the Obama administration, and by extension his DOJ, Secretary of State, IRS dept, treasury Dept, etc. etc.
Dems have a lot of clean up to do before ever seeking power again, and right now they have lost their way, and instead have chosen this pathetic path of obstruction, same tired Trump is bad strategy that moves nothing forward for the American people
Dems have a lot of clean up to do before ever seeking power again, and right now they have lost their way, and instead have chosen this pathetic path of obstruction, same tired Trump is bad strategy that moves nothing forward for the American people
Which part of it is false about Hillary? That she didn’t have the power to approve or reject the deal? That the State Department was only one of nine federal agencies that signed off on the deal? That only President Barack Obama had the power to veto it?
The Hill report goes on to say that federal agents found evidence "indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow."
Strangely, the Department of Justice first discovered the Russian racketeering scheme and the links to Clinton in 2009. But it failed to bring charges, and dragged its investigation out for four years with no substantive action.
Meanwhile, in October of 2010, the State Department and the interagency Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) curiously — and unanimously — approved the sale of part of Uranium One, a Canadian-based company with uranium interests in the U.S., to Rosatom, a Russian state holding company.
Why is this significant? That sale gave Russia, a potential nuclear foe, defacto control over 20% of the U.S.' uranium supply. Let that sink in for a minute.
Then there's this: The CFIUS that approved the Rosatom deal had two key members: Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in a clear conflict of interest materially benefited from the deal, and Attorney General Eric Holder, the man responsible for slow-walking the investigation into Russian nuclear racketeering.
the Obama administration knew of the Russian racketeering, extortion, money laundering, and the rest, as Vladimir Putin's minions elbowed their way into the U.S. nuclear market. The Obama administration did nothing.
The Clintons and their foundation raked in a cool $145 million in donations and "speaking fees" just from Uranium One- and Rosatom-affiliated donors while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was supposedly keeping all Clinton Foundation business at "arm's-length." As we reported in July, Clinton official emails show extensive connections between Hillary, the Clinton Foundation and donors during her time as secretary of state, a kind of criminal conga-line of people asking for favors from Hillary and donating to the foundation.
Peter Schwiezer, the author of "Clinton Cash," questioned this "spontaneous outbreak of philanthropy among eight shareholders in Uranium One" who "decide now would be a great time to donate tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation."
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/
Strangely, the Department of Justice first discovered the Russian racketeering scheme and the links to Clinton in 2009. But it failed to bring charges, and dragged its investigation out for four years with no substantive action.
Meanwhile, in October of 2010, the State Department and the interagency Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) curiously — and unanimously — approved the sale of part of Uranium One, a Canadian-based company with uranium interests in the U.S., to Rosatom, a Russian state holding company.
Why is this significant? That sale gave Russia, a potential nuclear foe, defacto control over 20% of the U.S.' uranium supply. Let that sink in for a minute.
Then there's this: The CFIUS that approved the Rosatom deal had two key members: Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in a clear conflict of interest materially benefited from the deal, and Attorney General Eric Holder, the man responsible for slow-walking the investigation into Russian nuclear racketeering.
the Obama administration knew of the Russian racketeering, extortion, money laundering, and the rest, as Vladimir Putin's minions elbowed their way into the U.S. nuclear market. The Obama administration did nothing.
The Clintons and their foundation raked in a cool $145 million in donations and "speaking fees" just from Uranium One- and Rosatom-affiliated donors while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was supposedly keeping all Clinton Foundation business at "arm's-length." As we reported in July, Clinton official emails show extensive connections between Hillary, the Clinton Foundation and donors during her time as secretary of state, a kind of criminal conga-line of people asking for favors from Hillary and donating to the foundation.
Peter Schwiezer, the author of "Clinton Cash," questioned this "spontaneous outbreak of philanthropy among eight shareholders in Uranium One" who "decide now would be a great time to donate tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation."
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
So Putin’s money to Clinton was for the poor?
Awesome. You love Putin cock now. Good girl