Russians Fear the Worst Is Yet to Come, New Polling Indicates

guno said:
Poor stupid fuck , now Russia has Sweden going into NATO and Finland just became a member on Russia's border because of Putin's invasion. Talk about backfiring
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Worse yet, even Erdogan is on board with Ukraine joining.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/lev-gudkov/

BullShit....Putin is largely seen as the father of modern Russia, the man who saved Russia from the Western induced chaos of the immediate post Soviet years.
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hahahahahahaha.

Putin doomed Russia. Say what you will about Xi, but at least he realized the best way to long term power was to allow enough money to stay in the Chinese economy to grow it. I call that long term greedy or playing the long game.

Putin and his Oligarchs are so greedy they have literally been killing the golden goose. Russia had every chance to be the emerging bridge nation between East and West. With a highly motivated, smart and industrious mostly white populace, they could have really built a tech center and other industries, like Ireland and others did, and attracted a ton of talent from India and China and elsewhere who might prefer not traveling all the way to the West. But Putin and his Oligarchs are so fucking greedy that if they get 100x the money they could spend in a lifetime, they then want 1000x. Even as Russia performs like a basket case.
 
anonymoose said:
A growing number of Russians have a sense of foreboding about their country’s future, according to a new poll, an ominous sign from a population long accustomed to living under economic sanctions.

Of the more than 1,600 Russians polled by the independent Levada Center, 58% believe that “hard times are yet to come” – the largest percentage of respondents with that dismal view in the last 15 years. The last time the numbers spiked – from 25% to 55% of respondents in late 2018 – Putin had just announced intensely unpopular cost-saving reforms to Russia’s pension plans.

Another quarter believed that Russia is already experiencing hard times.

The center did not offer an explanation or theories about the spike in pessimism among Russians, though the polling took place days after Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin – who for the first time this year became one of the top 10 officials Russians trust most

The responses also came amid new scrutiny into how Russian President Vladimir Putin is straining the Russian economy to overcome broad international sanctions and finance his invasion of Ukraine.

The latest rise, based on a survey conducted in the last week of June, accounts for a 10% increase over the prior month and likely represents concern about Russia’s prospects for a public whose increasingly autocratic government has outlawed criticizing its invasion of Ukraine.

Analysts generally see the results of Levada polling as skewed since respondents are likely distrustful of openly criticizing the government, though it is broadly considered among the most accurate sources of Russian public opinion inside the country.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...tp&cvid=2d0efbc3b1164724b35cbc19508d319d&ei=9

I'm feeling more optimistic about Ukraine's future.

Yesterday I learned Erdogan supported Ukraine's entry into NATO and Russians killed in their "special military operation" estimated to be 50,000. That's about the same as Americans killed in our Vietnam "police action".
Even if Ukraine has the same number, they're dying for their homes, family, freedom, etc. IOW, they're dying for a real cause. Russians are dying because Putin's regime is butthurt that Ukraine wants to be independent, democratic, free, and part of the West.

Putin actually had a meeting with Prigozhin, the mutinist. If that isn't a sign of weakness, what is?

If Ukraine can just hold the line for another year at minimum they'll get F-16's and more artillery.
Although Trump, if elected, may try to pull the rug from under their momentum and indirectly support Putin's special military operation.
At least the majority of republicans are in support of Ukraine.


If Ukraine can just hold on, and they seem to
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58% are actually fairly good numbers.

Take America for instance where 71% think our nation is heading in the wrong direction.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pr...ericans-believe-country-wrong-track-rcna68138

This is probably a reason for Putin's popularity over there.
 
guno said:
Poor stupid fuck , now Russia has Sweden going into NATO and Finland just became a member on Russia's border because of Putin's invasion. Talk about backfiring
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Putin isn't done yet.

He is probably one of the most brilliant strategists in modern history.

Although it should be noted that it will be his successor that achieves the ultimate goals since Putin is getting up there in age but he is already grooming him.

Russia is run by a group of far right oligarchs who crave to see the Soviet Union reformed and this is simply the first big step.

Once Ukraine is done with their plan will move even faster.

However, Ukraine is a sensitive issue so it takes time to ensure the West doesn't overly intrude. It may still take years before this is finally put to bed but that's fine, there is no definitive timeline they have to follow.
 
anonymoose said:
^ February 24, 2023

A lot more bad news for Russia since then.
It’s not going according to their plan.
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The sooner Russians rise up and toss people like Putin out of hospital window, the sooner they'll start prospering again. :thup:
 
Tinkerpeach said:
58% are actually fairly good numbers.
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Definitely would be in the U.S. But Russia in the last year and a half has become far more authoritarian where one can be jailed for any dissent whatsoever, including calling the war a war. So it's really impossible to gauge the accuracy of the survey.
Tinkerpeach said:
Take America for instance where 71% think our nation is heading in the wrong direction.
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We are, for sure.
 
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The 1420 interviews I have watched show that the old people who lived in the Soviet Union days are backing the war. The young people did not want it to start. They want it to end. They do not want to be conscripted.
 
anonymoose said:
Definitely would be in the U.S. But Russian in the last year and a half has become far more authoritarian where one can be jailed for any dissent whatsoever, including calling the war a war. So it's really impossible to gauge the accuracy of the survey.
We are, for sure.
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Good point.
 
Nordberg said:
The 1420 interviews I have watched show that the old people who lived in the Soviet Union days are backing the war. The young people did not want it to start. They want it to end. They do not want to be conscripted.
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Wars are often supported by people who have no skin in the game. Look at all the chickenhawks in DC who supported invading Iraq.
 
Nordberg said:
The 1420 interviews I have watched show that the old people who lived in the Soviet Union days are backing the war. The young people did not want it to start. They want it to end. They do not want to be conscripted.
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Every.draft age Russian male citizen I know has fled Russia for Germany, Israel, Serbia, and Kazakhstan.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The US has been clear that we are out to destroy Russia.
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NO! Why would we want to destroy Russia?

The Russian invasion of Ukraine violated international law (including the Charter of the United Nations)!

Is there something you don't seem to understand about that?
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
NO! Why would we want to destroy Russia?

The Russian invasion of Ukraine violated international law (including the Charter of the United Nations)!

Is there something you don't seem to understand about that?
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#10 paranoid about his Russian handlers being deposed.
 
Doc Dutch said:
#10 paranoid about his Russian handlers being deposed.
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Hawkeye has lost whatever marbles he may have once had!

His mind is deteriorating daily.

Once they go anti-establishment, they become eccentric and start attacking every convention known to man!

Hawkeye is also starting to show signs of paranoid schizophrenia and seems to be scared of his own shadow!

He is not just your usual cynic and misanthrope! His mental state has moved way beyond that now!
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
The US has been clear that we are out to destroy Russia.
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Not true. Russia is making itself a pariah. The Russian people know they will get the cold shoulder or be abused if they travel after Putin's war. Russia has never been trusted and Putin showed why.NATO was started as an answer against Russian expansionism. It is what they do.
 
Doc Dutch said:
He needs help.
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I believe you are right.

Remember when he first showed up here? He was just the usual Republican cynic!

And Remember how much he admitted to watching Tucker on Fox News every night?

Well, that is when I started seeing his mental state slipping back down into reverse!

And he seems to be stuck in reverse now, and unable to shift back into a forward gear!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The US has been clear that we are out to destroy Russia.
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Even the leader of Wagner, Pirogzhin, said the Kremlin had been lying their asses off about invading to ward off an imminent attack by NATO through Ukraine.


All Putin has to do to stop the pain is to withdraw the Russian Invaders from the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
 
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