Russian Men Are Fleeing by Tens of Thousands

No shit, kid. Now do the math: "thousands fleeing" vs. millions staying. Try not to think too hard, Lurch. I'd hate for you to hurt yourself.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/
Russia Population 146,074,272

Democrats supported the war in Vietnam until they didn't just like Kerry and Hillary supported the war in Iraq....until they didn't.

That said, you dance like a Liberal. Kudos. :thup:

Kerry and Hilary never supported the war in Iraq. They voted to authorize action if needed.

You're so overcome with Democrat hate you're lying now, Dutch.

I'll come back and talk to you when your "unwelcome monthly visitor" has left, you whiny little bitch.
 
I take exception to Vietnam when you use the phrase „got us into“ Eisenhower got us into the war, but LBJ and Nixon escalated it.

JFK escalated it. Saying Ike got us into the Vietnam War is like saying marijuana is a gateway drug to heroin and drinking a beer is the road to alcoholism. The US had military advisors all over the world. There's a big difference between having advisors in training or advisory positions vs. combat troops in the field.

FWIW, the points Martin and Lurch keep missing is that the US could have easily won Vietnam militarily. We lost it politically. The downside of having political leaders in charge of our military. :)

https://prde.upress.virginia.edu/content/Vietnam
“I guess we’ve got no choice, but it scares the death out of me. I think everybody’s going to think, ‘we’re landing the Marines, we’re off to battle.’”

—President Lyndon B. Johnson, 6 March 1965

While Presidents Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower had committed significant American resources to counter the Communist-led Viet Minh in its struggle against France following the Second World War, it was Kennedy who had deepened and expanded that commitment, increasing the number of U.S. military advisers in Vietnam from just under seven hundred in 1961 to over sixteen thousand by the fall of 1963. Kennedy’s largesse would also extend to the broader provision of foreign aid, as his administration increased the amount of combined military and economic assistance from $223 million in FY1961 to $471 million by FY1963....
 
You made me literally laugh out loud.

Every once in awhile, I make fun of Reagan. That's a "red line" for poor Dutchie.. I think Dutch has a false wall in the back of his closet where he's built a Ron and Nancy shrine he prays to daily.
 
Kerry and Hilary never supported the war in Iraq. They voted to authorize action if needed.

You're so overcome with Democrat hate you're lying now, Dutch.

I'll come back and talk to you when your "unwelcome monthly visitor" has left, you whiny little bitch.
It’s a vote she regrets to this day, she trusted Bush to use the vote only after all diplomacy failed, and the inspections found evidence of what Bush claimed. He deceived all of them.
 
Kerry and Hilary never supported the war in Iraq. They voted to authorize action if needed.

You're so overcome with Democrat hate you're lying now, Dutch.

I'll come back and talk to you when your "unwelcome monthly visitor" has left, you whiny little bitch.
^^^ Thanks for this. LOL

Not that I expect JPP's concrete thinkers to read, much less comprehend, this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kerrys-top-ten-flip-flops/
Kerry's Top Ten Flip-Flops
Following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in January 1991, Kerry broke with the majority of senators and voted against authorizing the first Gulf War. He said on the Senate floor, "It is a vote about war because whether or not the president exercises his power, we will have no further say after this vote."

Kerry thus voted against war after Iraq took aggressive military action. He said a vote in favor of military action was tantamount to giving Congress "no further say" on the war.

In October 2002, he supported the current war in Iraq, despite the fact that Iraq took no aggressive action against its neighbors.

In announcing his candidacy for president, in September 2003, he said his October 2002 vote was simply "to threaten" the use of force, apparently backtracking from his belief in 1991 that such a vote would grant the president an open-ended ticket to wage war.

"We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

But on Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: "Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have." Speaking to reporters at the edge of the Grand Canyon, he added: "[Although] I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has."

The Kerry campaign says voting to authorize the war in Iraq is different from deciding diplomacy has failed and waging war. But Kerry's nuanced position has contradicted itself on whether it was right or wrong to wage the war.

In May 2003, at the first Democratic primary debate, John Kerry said his vote authorizing the president to use force was the "right decision" though he would have "preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity."


But then in January 2004, Kerry began to run as anti-war candidate, saying, "I don't believe the president took us to war as he should have."

In September 2003, Kerry implied that voting against wartime funding bills was equivalent to abandoning the troops.

"I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running," he said.

Then, in October 2003, a year after voting to support the use of force in Iraq, Kerry voted against an $87 billion supplemental funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He did support an alternative bill that funded the $87 billion by cutting some of President Bush's tax cuts.

But when it was apparent the alternative bill would not pass, he decided to go on record as not supporting the legislation to fund soldiers.

Kerry complicated matters with his now infamous words, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
 
It’s a vote she regrets to this day, she trusted Bush to use the vote only after all diplomacy failed, and the inspections found evidence of what Bush claimed. He deceived all of them.

Translation: Hillary was too gullible and stupid to be President.

The Senate committees on Intelligence and our military had all the facts like Bush. If Bush was saying something different than the Senate and House committees, why didn't they ask for the intel?

I'll take my groans now, please. :thup:
 
^^^ Thanks for this. LOL

Not that I expect JPP's concrete thinkers to read, much less comprehend, this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kerrys-top-ten-flip-flops/
Kerry's Top Ten Flip-Flops

"We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

Bush lied.
 
Every once in awhile, I make fun of Reagan. That's a "red line" for poor Dutchie.. I think Dutch has a false wall in the back of his closet where he's built a Ron and Nancy shrine he prays to daily.

LOL Sorry, Lurch, I'm not like you and your worship of JFK, LBJ and other Democratic warmongers.

Reagan did a lot for the US on the international scene. His biggest weaknesses were domestically; AIDS and the PATCO strike being two major faults. If you were an abstract thinker, you'd be able to use the search function to see I've addressed these faults before.

FYI, I don't worship anything. I do, however, respect many things.
 
I don't thank anyone for starting a war. You're in a bit of a mood, Sparky. Why you don't retire to your mom's basement and engage in your daily freak session with your inflatable Nancy Reagan sex doll?

^^^ the emotional response of a concrete thinker.
 
"We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

Bush lied.

Bush lied to the public. Anyone in Congress who uses that lie to cover their ass is a liar. You already know what I think of Hillary and Kerry on the matter.
 
Translation: Hillary was too gullible and stupid to be President.

The Senate committees on Intelligence and our military had all the facts like Bush. If Bush was saying something different than the Senate and House committees, why didn't they ask for the intel?

I'll take my groans now, please. :thup:
My pleasure

She wasn’t gullible, she believed a man’s word. Bush lied. Intel was being manipulated. Colin Powell lied as well. They all lied.
 
Bush lied to the public. Anyone in Congress who uses that lie to cover their ass is a liar. You already know what I think of Hillary and Kerry on the matter.
The Bush administration lied to everyone and manipulated intel. They lied us into an unnecessary war.
 
Many Senate Democrats disgraced themselves at the outset on Vietnam. No question about it.

TBH, given the times, I, too, supported the Soviet containment strategy. Cold War, including Proxy Wars, is always preferable to the alternative: A hot thermonuclear war.

The main point I've kept trying to make is differentiating between a military defeat and a political defeat. The US was defeated politically, not militarily, in Vietnam, mainly due to our own actions and inactions.

Russia is getting its ass kicked militarily in Ukraine, and the political defeat is coming.
 
The Bush administration lied to everyone and manipulated intel. They lied us into an unnecessary war.

Hillary is too gullible to be President if she solely relied upon Bush to determine whether to send Americans into Iraq.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/28/russia-turkey-partial-mobilization-ukraine/

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ns-flee-putins-mobilization/story?id=90588897

This thread's subject is about Russians fleeing Russia to avoid Putin's folly. You want to make it about Democrats supporting wars.

Have fun with your lib-bashing. This is because I tell the truth about what a fool and criminal your St. Reagan was, isn't it? He was a fucking racist asshole, Dutch. Everyone knows it. His family knows it. And his wife Nancy? A total freak. Thought that "just saying no" was going to stop drug addiction.

You need to find some better heroes, Dutch.

^^^ Thanks for the emotional response. It confirms everything I think about you. :)
 
It’s a vote she regrets to this day, she trusted Bush to use the vote only after all diplomacy failed, and the inspections found evidence of what Bush claimed. He deceived all of them.

The result was the most illegal and costly war the US has ever waged, other than the other one Bush started, Afghanistan. Had we stayed on point and ignored that Iraq garbage, we'd have caught Bin Laden back in the early 2000's and it would have saved us so much blood and treasure.
 
LOL Sorry, Lurch, I'm not like you and your worship of JFK, LBJ and other Democratic warmongers.

Reagan did a lot for the US on the international scene. His biggest weaknesses were domestically; AIDS and the PATCO strike being two major faults. If you were an abstract thinker, you'd be able to use the search function to see I've addressed these faults before.

FYI, I don't worship anything. I do, however, respect many things.

Unlike you, I don't "worship" anything but what is morally righteous.

Lying to get us into a war like Bush and Cheney did: Bad.

Getting us out of wars like Biden did: Good.

You don't need to be an "abstract thinker" to know the difference between right and wrong.

Here's another one:

Waging an illegal war in Central America like Reagan did: Wrong.

Prosecuting the criminals in the Reagan admin for the "arms for hostages" shit show: Good.

Let me know if you need any more help with your broke moral compass, Tiffany.
 
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