Russian Army v Woke Army

T. A. Gardner said:
Ours is high tech, but the training is uneven. For example, with the Navy, most maintenance today is not done by the ship's crew. They have limited skills and training to fix stuff when it breaks down. Instead, the USN is relying more and more on civilian technicians and shipyards to do that sort of thing with the crew being oriented to just operating the ship day-to-day. That's a big change from my days in the service where we fixed stuff when it broke down, knew how to make temporary fixes to keep stuff running when out at sea, that sort of thing.

Even the day-to-day operations are becoming sloppy. Look at the last several years and how a number of US Navy ships have run aground, been in collisions, etc. The other services are no different in that respect.
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You can thank your own political party for privatizing the military with contractors. Who made the most money in the Iraq War and who paid the cost in blood, Terry?

Again, who is to blame for privatizing the military and cutting training funding versus forcing the purchase of high-tech weaponry the Pentagon doesn't want? You've mentioned the F-35 before. Who is responsible for that? Military or civilian?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You can thank your own political party for privatizing the military with contractors. Who made the most money in the Iraq War and who paid the cost in blood, Terry?

Again, who is to blame for privatizing the military and cutting training funding versus forcing the purchase of high-tech weaponry the Pentagon doesn't want? You've mentioned the F-35 before. Who is responsible for that? Military or civilian?
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That started long ago post Reagan and it wasn't one party or the other. Most of it was internal to the military. You had generals and admirals looking for ways to cut their budgets so they could buy more toys or keep the ones they already had. For example, the Navy cut the missile launcher off the forecastle of the whole O H Perry class frigates because they didn't want to continue to stock the older version of the Standard missile it used. This left the ship virtually defenseless, but the ships stayed in service because they were hulls at sea. The cost reduction came from lowered maintenance requirements.

The Navy got rid of all the tenders too. Same thing. They'd rather contract out maintenance than do it in-house to save the money for other things. Doesn't matter that if we have a serious war there will be a sudden rush to restore this capacity at great cost. In the short-term, it's all about corporate budgeting.
 
serendipity said:
Russian Army v Woke Army
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The obvious point is the Russian Army has turned out to be much less of everything than we thought. They are terrified of 14 western tanks, when the west has about 14,000. We had too much respect for this joke of an army.

But you would rather deal with your fantasies.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That started long ago post Reagan and it wasn't one party or the other. Most of it was internal to the military. You had generals and admirals looking for ways to cut their budgets so they could buy more toys or keep the ones they already had. For example, the Navy cut the missile launcher off the forecastle of the whole O H Perry class frigates because they didn't want to continue to stock the older version of the Standard missile it used. This left the ship virtually defenseless, but the ships stayed in service because they were hulls at sea. The cost reduction came from lowered maintenance requirements.

The Navy got rid of all the tenders too. Same thing. They'd rather contract out maintenance than do it in-house to save the money for other things. Doesn't matter that if we have a serious war there will be a sudden rush to restore this capacity at great cost. In the short-term, it's all about corporate budgeting.
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Gee, Terry. Why would the US military have to cut their budget?

No shit. Corporate budgeting. Who controls the budget of the US military, Terry? I know you know but you keep dancing around it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Ours is high tech, but the training is uneven. For example, with the Navy, most maintenance today is not done by the ship's crew. They have limited skills and training to fix stuff when it breaks down. Instead, the USN is relying more and more on civilian technicians and shipyards to do that sort of thing with the crew being oriented to just operating the ship day-to-day. That's a big change from my days in the service where we fixed stuff when it broke down, knew how to make temporary fixes to keep stuff running when out at sea, that sort of thing.

Even the day-to-day operations are becoming sloppy. Look at the last several years and how a number of US Navy ships have run aground, been in collisions, etc. The other services are no different in that respect.
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If the maintenance is done in a port, it probably should be done by civilians. That frees up the sailors to fight, and support the fight closer to the front. One of the big moves in weapons designs is to be able to swap out components easily. The components are then repaired back in America. This makes frontline repairs extremely quick.
 
Walt said:
If the maintenance is done in a port, it probably should be done by civilians. That frees up the sailors to fight, and support the fight closer to the front. One of the big moves in weapons designs is to be able to swap out components easily. The components are then repaired back in America. This makes frontline repairs extremely quick.
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For career sailors, shore duty is a HUGE thing. Getting off the ship for a few years is an important incentive. It also gives mid-grade sailors a chance to intensively practice their skills in troubleshooting and maintenance of systems as they do it daily rather than as required or intermittently on a ship. By removing shore and tender billets you are removing both a training opportunity and incentive to remain in the service.
 
floridafan said:
I believe you predicted a Russian victory in just a matter of days, my dear!
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So- where is your proof ? You should consider that your 'belief ' is unfounded.

A media report that it was likely does not constitute a prediction- and I don't write the reports.
 
Cypress said:
This thread you started.

'Ukrainian army- leaderless, deserting, unsupported'
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That's the content of the report. No prediction from me. You should apologize.

You should also apologize for claiming that relaying a report on Marine Le Pen's election chances constitutes my support for Marine Le Pen

You and member floridafan are from the same , mendacious , stable.
 
Cypress said:
In the first week of the war you could barely contain your excitement everytime the Russian army captured a town.
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Supposition. While you saturated the forum with your perceptions of Zelensky victories I simply posted reports to the contrary- reports that censors seemingly deprived you of.

You're still doing it today. Your wishful thinking has overridden the realities.
 
moon said:
That's the content of the report. No prediction from me. You should apologize.

You should also apologize for claiming that relaying a report on Marine Le Pen's election chances constitutes my support for Marine Le Pen

You and member floridafan are from the same , mendacious , stable.
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Nobody here is just innocently posting political and military news. They are posting it when they agree with the premise of the article, or they believe it accurately represents real time facts.

You have a history of having orgasms everytime the Russians captured a town or bombed a Ukrainian city, so collectively your posting history can easily be characterized as Putin cock sucking.
 
Cypress said:
Nobody here is just innocently posting political and military news. They are posting it when they agree with the premise of the article, or they believe it accurately represents real time facts.
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You are a dedicated Zelensky fool. A member relaying a report on police brutality is not supporting police brutality- in anybody's mind but yours.

You have a history of having orgasms everytime the Russians captured a town or bombed a Ukrainian city, so collectively your posting history can easily be characterized as Putin cock sucking.
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I can see how reports of apparent Russian successes would inflame any one-eyed Zelensky asshole that denies US/NATO responsibility for this humanitarian and ecological disaster - particularly if such a one-eyed Zelensky asshole is also a closet fellatio fetishist. Tough tittie. Suck it up.
 
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