Russian Army v Woke Army

guno said:
At the fall of the Soviet Union industries were picked apart and profits were the driving force, equipment went to shit
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It quickly devolved into the poor and the super-rich/powerful. One thing that made Russia so different was their nuclear arsenal.
 
Damocles said:
A screw would have broken at the point it entered the wood if put under the same pressures... There is a reason you use a nail to connect stairs to a deck, because screws are fragile and break, nails have give and hold better if there is a failure.
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True enough- and you can't turn a screw into a staple if you need one in a hurry;

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Dutch Uncle said:
Like you get off on geochemistry? Probably the same reason; lifelong experience coupled with an early interest.
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Actually I went all the way through graduate school with geochemistry, so unlike you I could actually complete it.

You are just a psychology dilettante.

My jobs required me to evaluate people for fitness in, literally, life and death situations.
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No offense but if your behavior on here is any corollary I worry that you would have unnecessarily harmed innocent people trying to get a job.

You honestly don't seem all that good at "diagnoses". How many people did you damn with your fake diagnoses of "paranoid schizophrenic".

You see, you CLAIM you were some form of psych screener but honestly I've never seen you say ANYTHING that indicated a nodding acquaintance with ACTUAL psychology. To you everyone is some form of severe psychotic. ESPECIALLY if they even mildly disagree with you.

I coupled my college education into my non-degree related career...which is pretty easy to do with both psychology and sociology. Especially for leaders and managers.
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I understand your game: in order to "test" someone you probably developed your ability to lightly needle someone to see how they responded. That's well and good, but you don't actually seem to know much about technical psychology.

In short: I worry that you were really bad at your job and innocent people suffered. Maybe you stopped some bad people from getting through, but I sincerely doubt you were as effective as you seem to fancy yourself.

Again, no offense. Just "saying what I think" as you so aptly noted is what people do.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Actually I went all the way through graduate school with geochemistry, so unlike you I could actually complete it.

You are just a psychology dilettante.

No offense but if your behavior on here is any corollary I worry that you would have unnecessarily harmed innocent people trying to get a job.

You honestly don't seem all that good at "diagnoses". How many people did you damn with your fake diagnoses of "paranoid schizophrenic".

You see, you CLAIM you were some form of psych screener but honestly I've never seen you say ANYTHING that indicated a nodding acquaintance with ACTUAL psychology. To you everyone is some form of severe psychotic. ESPECIALLY if they even mildly disagree with you.


I understand your game: in order to "test" someone you probably developed your ability to lightly needle someone to see how they responded. That's well and good, but you don't actually seem to know much about technical psychology.

In short: I worry that you were really bad at your job and innocent people suffered. Maybe you stopped some bad people from getting through, but I sincerely doubt you were as effective as you seem to fancy yourself.

Again, no offense. Just "saying what I think" as you so aptly noted is what people do.
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Your comments are noted, Perry PhD, especially the lies and false conclusions. Those interest me for a couple reasons:
1) Liars always interest me since it takes time to determine if they are lying or simply delusional. I think you're just a petty, jealous liar, Perry. I could be wrong. Maybe you're going insane, but your other posts indicate you are not.

2) Your false conclusions are similar; are they lies or simply failures of logic and rationality? Again, I believe you are a petty, jealous liar. that you can see what is rational and what is not, but you deliberately choose to post emotional responses to me for unknown reasons. As posted before, I think the reason you are doing this is that I touched a raw nerve and you're petty enough to hold a grudge.

For those reasons, IMO, while you are probably a good worker bee, you'd be a lousy manager or leader. You lack the personality for it.

It's good that you say what you think, Perry PhD. Is it what you honestly think or is it a lie for petty revenge? Why are you mad at me?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Your comments are noted, Perry PhD, especially the lies and false conclusions. Those interest me for a couple reasons:
1) Liars always interest me since it takes time to determine if they are lying or simply delusional. I think you're just a petty, jealous liar, Perry. I could be wrong. Maybe you're going insane, but your other posts indicate you are not.
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And what do you think I'm lying about, Dr. Dutch?

2) Your false conclusions are similar; are they lies or simply failures of logic and rationality? Again, I believe you are a petty, jealous liar. that you can see what is rational and what is not, but you deliberately choose to post emotional responses to me for unknown reasons. As posted before, I think the reason you are doing this is that I touched a raw nerve and you're petty enough to hold a grudge.
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Hmmmm, interesting observations!

For those reasons, IMO, while you are probably a good worker bee, you'd be a lousy manager or leader. You lack the personality for it.
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Oh, really? Interesting!

It's good that you say what you think, Perry PhD. Is it what you honestly think or is it a lie for petty revenge?
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No, I think you were more a danger to the people you were screening than they were to whatever job you were screening them for.

Honestly I've NEVER seen you say ANYTHING that indicated a REAL knowledge of psychology. You go for the diagnoses that uninformed laymen would use. EVERYONE is a psychotic in your world.

That indicates you were either really bad at your job or not really what you were. :)

Hope that clarifies it. I apologize that I am disagreeing with you. I know that enrages you.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A fair point, but the USSR had experience in both a decade in Afghanistan and their years in Chechnya. The Ukrainians are fierce and highly motivated but limited to Third World tactics because they don't have the advanced weaponry....except what they capture from the Russians. LOL

This is why the addition of First World tanks and, possibly, more jet fighters are game changers.

What is the back chatter on why the Russia war is going so badly on Putin? What are people in Moscow, St. Petersburg and the rural areas saying about the draft and conduct of the war?
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Afghanistan and Chechnya were counter insurgencies which were not on the logistical and operational scale of a Vietnam, Korea, or Gulf War. I think that was the point the article I read made. The Russians haven't had logistical or operational experience with a large, combined arms military conflict with an enemy state in 80 years, unlike the United States.

My sampling of the Russian population is biased, but they are all disgusted by this war and all the men of draft age have fled the country. Rightwing Russian nationalists and a lot of old people seem to be convinced that Russia cannot endure the humiliation of losing, regardless if the reason for starting the war was wrong in the first place. We had Americans like that in the Vietnam War, who just wanted to keep fighting to avoid the humiliation of withdrawal
 
Cypress said:
Afghanistan and Chechnya were counter insurgencies which were not on the logistical and operational scale of a Vietnam, Korea, or Gulf War. I think that was the point the article I read made. The Russians haven't had logistical or operational experience with a large, combined arms military conflict with an enemy state in 80 years, unlike the United States.

My sampling of the Russian population is biased, but they are all disgusted by this war and all the men of draft age have fled the country. Rightwing Russian nationalists and a lot of old people seem to be convinced that Russia cannot endure the humiliation of losing, regardless if the reason for starting the war was wrong in the first place. We had Americans like that in the Vietnam War, who just wanted to keep fighting to avoid the humiliation of withdrawal
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Smaller scale but same tactics. Vietnam was mainly a counterinsurgency. Same for Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq started out as conventional but that quickly ended. FWIW, Russia supplied most of the weapon to US opponents. :)

Thanks. What do you think will be the eventual outcome and when would it take place? My guess is that Putin has an "accident" or an unfortunate heart attack...following his flight out of a 10th floor window. LOL
 
guno said:
In spite of Stalin's purges of his commanders in 41'
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Supposedly Stalin came to realize that he had killed off a lot of the best officers in the 1937 purges, so he eventually let Zhukov and his staff run the operational end of the war without to much interference
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A nation's army often reflects its culture. Our military is high-tech and well-trained. Russia's army is corrupt, ill-trained, ill-equipped and being used as cannon fodder to satisfy the ego of a mad man. Ukraine's army is filled with volunteers, defending their nation to the death.

Notice how the anti-Americans on JPP like to tear down the United States and support Putin's Russia.
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This is mostly wrong. Our military is high-tech, usually well-trained, and backed by a strong civilian industry of technicians and others to keep it running. Russia's military is chock full of short-term conscripts with little motivation, no real training, and led by officers more interested in personal growth and retirement pay than winning or their troops.

A military of amateurs led by plutocrats is going to fail as surely as one where politics and political correctness dominate instead of a meritocracy is the problem. The US military under Obama and accelerated under Biden is the latter.
 
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Russia's military is chock full of short-term conscripts with little motivation, no real training, and led by officers more interested in personal growth and retirement pay than winning or their troops.
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Sounds familiar.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This is mostly wrong. Our military is high-tech, usually well-trained, and backed by a strong civilian industry of technicians and others to keep it running. Russia's military is chock full of short-term conscripts with little motivation, no real training, and led by officers more interested in personal growth and retirement pay than winning or their troops.

A military of amateurs led by plutocrats is going to fail as surely as one where politics and political correctness dominate instead of a meritocracy is the problem. The US military under Obama and accelerated under Biden is the latter.
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:laugh: Terry, you say it's mostly wrong then regurgitate what I said. "Our military is high-tech and well-trained. Russia's army is corrupt, ill-trained, ill-equipped and being used as cannon fodder to satisfy the ego of a mad man."

Was it my comment about anti-American tearing down the US that triggered you, Terry?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
:laugh: Terry, you say it's mostly wrong then regurgitate what I said. "Our military is high-tech and well-trained. Russia's army is corrupt, ill-trained, ill-equipped and being used as cannon fodder to satisfy the ego of a mad man."

Was it my comment about anti-American tearing down the US that triggered you, Terry?
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Ours is high tech, but the training is uneven. For example, with the Navy, most maintenance today is not done by the ship's crew. They have limited skills and training to fix stuff when it breaks down. Instead, the USN is relying more and more on civilian technicians and shipyards to do that sort of thing with the crew being oriented to just operating the ship day-to-day. That's a big change from my days in the service where we fixed stuff when it broke down, knew how to make temporary fixes to keep stuff running when out at sea, that sort of thing.

Even the day-to-day operations are becoming sloppy. Look at the last several years and how a number of US Navy ships have run aground, been in collisions, etc. The other services are no different in that respect.
 
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