Russiaism is the new Birtherism

anatta said:
at least you are honest that the Democratic resistance has no core operating principle except de-legitimization.

I think it's disgusting as birtherism, but i admire your no bullshitting about motivations
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I didn't exactly say that.

Democrats, like an every growing number of Americans from all walks, see Trump as a serious threat to democracy and the security of this nation. THAT is their overriding motivation to see him gone.

Many don't care how he's removed as long as he's removed. Many others would rather concentrate on removing republicans in the Congress, leaving Trump virtually powerless, hated, and neutered.

I like the latter.

Not sure how you confuse birtherism with an on-going federal investigation, but confused it is brother.
 
blackascoal said:
I didn't exactly say that.

Democrats, like an every growing number of Americans from all walks, see Trump as a serious threat to democracy and the security of this nation. THAT is their overriding motivation to see him gone.

Many don't care how he's removed as long as he's removed. Many others would rather concentrate on removing republicans in the Congress, leaving Trump virtually powerless, hated, and neutered.

I like the latter.

Not sure how you confuse birtherism with an on-going federal investigation, but confused it is brother.
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fair enough, although the logic of removal (neutered) by de-ligitimization -which is 100% UN-DEMOCRATIC eludes me.

The OP has explained the purposeful over-conflations ( i.e Watergate/Constitutional crisis) tied to Comey's removal of being about Russiagate -but one either agrees with that or not..

And fake news bombards it all with such junk as to amplify the distortions.

I appreciate the explanation good brother.
 
Combover said:
@anatta

Obama was not born in Kenya; not even slightly.
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yes...
Russia is our enemy; more than a little.
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so was the Soviet Union-if not more so then modern Russia.
Yet we strove for detente, de-escalation where possible, and always kept talking.

This weeks meeting between Russian FM Lavrov and Trump/Tillerson is the FIRST TIME
we've had bi-level high level talks since Obama's 1st administration
(excluding pro-forma meetings in the Geneva Syrian talks)

If you want to problem solve-you need to talk - or you can just do what John McCain and increasingly what the Dems do:
RUSSIA!! grr grr!
 
Cypress said:
Wow.


The premise of your thread is laughable. There is no analogy.



Even righwingers - the smart ones - knew the birth certificate-Kenya thing was a lie from the get go. Only poorly edumacated knuckledraggers were duped into buying it. Everyone with an IQ over 80 knew what the real objective of the birther nonsense was: to attempt to make American's first black president look vaguely un-American, foreign, something not palatable to middle America. Anything to detract from the facts of who he really was, a mainstream, left of center American politician with a fairly typical and generally recognizable American family story and history.
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Preppie Snobs Were the Only Whites Who Voted for Him Just Because He Was Black

Wasn't FUBARack's autobiography titled Mommy Married a Mau Mau? Only in Kumbaya fantasyland is that prancing freak typically American.

Rainbow diversity around a campfire, smoking crack and chanting songs of peace and love. The marshmallows are white.
 
anatta said:
yes...
so was the Soviet Union-if not more so then modern Russia.
Yet we strove for detente, de-escalation where possible, and always kept talking.

This weeks meeting between Russian FM Lavrov and Trump/Tillerson is the FIRST TIME
we've had bi-level high level talks since Obama's 1st administration
(excluding pro-forma meetings in the Geneva Syrian talks)

If you want to problem solve-you need to talk - or you can just do what John McCain and increasingly what the Dems do:
RUSSIA!! grr grr!
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Part of the movement to get behind Reagan was a rejection of Nixon and Ford embracing détente.
 
Combover said:
Part of the movement to get behind Reagan was a rejection of Nixon and Ford embracing détente.
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That must have been a Republican thing..I don't recall that. In fact I recall some ( not much)push back on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan Olympic boycott.

We never did the Red scare stuff like we do now or back in the days of McCarthyism.
The USSR was the enemy -but we always, always talked.
 
Thing1 said:
The birtherism parallel is also bull. Sorry, anatta - this is an actual investigation that started w/ the FBI and our intel community. It's not a bunch of conspiracy hearsay.
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Correct. The double standard is fascinating, though. Obama was being goaded into supplying a birth certificate. trump can supply his business tax returns, and clear the matter up.
 
Combover said:
Really?

Are you fucking retarded, comrade?
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Funny...isn't it? Remember the fuss over Clinton 'selling' America's uranium to Russia? (she didn't). It's as if these fools don't realize that this is the 21st century. 'Invasion' doesn't mean boots on the ground. Hell...they already have multiple operatives in the White House. They conduct secret meetings where only the Russian press is allowed.
 
Combover said:
Really? Are you fucking retarded, comrade?
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Combover said:
Sorry, anatta. You lost the Cold War, and America won.
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you forgot the new and improved Cold War 2.0...!!
as we say in the infomercial business ...But Wait ! There's More!

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Nobody wins when we have to continues to escalate. when we need more and more tank battalions in Poland -when we need permanent deployments in Finland. when "battlefield nuclear tipped cruise missiles" become a factor. (etc.)

With due respect, your understanding of what's going on in Europe today
and US/Russian relations fueled by NATO Expansion today is childlike simple
 
anatta said:
you forgot the new and improved Cold War 2.0...!!
as we say in the infomercial business ...But Wait ! There's More!

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Nobody wins when we have to continues to escalate. when we need more and more tank battalions in Poland -when we need permanent deployments in Finland. when "battlefield nuclear tipped cruise missiles become a factor. (etc.)

With due respect, your understanding of what's going on in Europe today and US/Russian relations fueled by NATO Expansion today is childlike simple
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We got a good twenty years of peace out of winning the Cold War. About the same amount of time that the Allies got for winning WWI.
 
Combover said:
We got a good twenty years of peace out of winning the Cold War. About the same amount of time that the Allies got for winning WWI.
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and what did we do with it?? Expanded NATO right up to Russian borders, and meddled in Ukrainian elections.
We put Sevastopol at risk for Putin.
Then wonder WhyTF his Spetsnaz invaded Crimea by secretive "Little Green men"

It's ALL because we need to punish Putin.
To shove our mono-polarism up his ass and then ask for his cooperation on terrorism.
He's telling us to fuck off. pushing into the Arctic, and partnering with China while we cling to Russiaphobia
 
anatta said:
and what did we do with it?? Expanded NATO right up to Russian borders, and meddled in Ukrainian elections.
We put Sevastopol at risk for Putin.
Then wonder WhyTF his Spetsnaz invaded Crimea by secretive "Little Green men"

It's ALL because we need to punish Putin.
To shove our mono-polarism up his ass and then ask for his cooperation on terrorism.
He's telling us to fuck off. pushing into the Arctic, and partnering with China while we cling to Russiaphobia
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I'm sure this is all a big insult and disappointment if you are Russian, have Russian interests and loyalties, and look with contempt at the West. Otherwise, I don't know what you're complaining about.
 
Combover said:
Really?

Are you fucking retarded, comrade?
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Not all, but I'm pretty sure you don't like the question lol.

What, exactly makes Russia a bigger enemy than the Suadis, for example? Did 19 Russian nationals pull off 9/11? Does Russia have an indigenous population of radicals that spawned a global jihadist movement? Yet, we are on good terms with Saudis and Russia is treated like a pariah state.

Has Russia threatened to nuke Seattle like NK has?

I don't get it. Feel free to explain.
 
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