Russia opens criminal cases against ICC chief prosecutor and ICC judges

moon said:
Yes, a clever move. The first aspect I think needs addressing is whether or not heads of state can be prosecuted by the ICC. On the other hand, the ICC can certainly be prosecuted by heads of state.


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Your support for Mother Russia and the War Criminal Putin is noted, Ms. Moon. :thup:
 
serendipity said:
We all hold you in the utmost contempt, surely even a stubborn cunt like you ought to know that by now.
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And still the swill flows from its cyber orifice


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Phoenyx said:
It goes back to an old principle that I think journalist and well known sci fi author Frank Herbert put well:

"Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?"

There is another aspect to all of this though, and I think it's far more important than who enforces their will on the other, and that's who is -morally- right. I'm not saying that Russia hasn't made mistakes, but when it comes to Ukraine, they weren't the ones who started bombarding Ukrainians. That would be Ukraine's Kyiv based government, way back in 2014. For 8 years, Russia tried to resolve with conflict diplomatically, with 2 Minsk accords. It was the U.S. and its NATO allies that turned a blind eye to the atrocities committed by Ukraine's Kyiv based government against eastern Ukrainians.

The really humorous thing here is that, like Russia, the U.S. withdrew the U.S. from the ICC's jurisdiction as well, and a lot sooner than Russia did. RT wrote an article detailing this fact yesterday. Quoting from it:

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Former US national security advisor John Bolton has come out against the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) decision to indict Russian President Vladimir Putin, calling the court “fundamentally illegitimate.”

“I believe and have for many years [that] the International Criminal Court is fundamentally illegitimate,” Bolton told Sky News on Monday, adding that its arrest warrant for Putin is “not something that the United States should cooperate with.”

“It’s a very dangerous institution,” he continued. “It is an exercise of governmental power in a vacuum without any constitutional framework to restrain it.”

The Court's pre-trial Chamber issued a warrant on Friday for the arrest of Putin and Russian Children's Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova for the “unlawful deportation” of children from “occupied areas of Ukraine.” The charges refer to Russia’s efforts to evacuate civilians away from areas – mostly in the predominantly Russian-speaking region of Donbass – shelled by the Ukrainian military.

Neither the US nor Russia recognize the ICC’s jurisdiction. Speaking to reporters on Friday, US President Joe Biden said that he believed the arrest warrant was “justified,” but admitted that the court was “not recognized by us either.”

In addition to sanctioning a number of top International Criminal Court officials in 2020, the US maintains the ‘Hague Invasion Act’, giving its military permission to invade the Netherlands were any US citizens detained at the court.
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Source:

Putin arrest warrant court 'fundamentally illegitimate' – Bolton | RT

I don't know if Russia has something similar to the Hague Invasion Act, but I'm fairly certain that it'd invade Denmark anyway if they managed to detain Putin. What's especially ironic here is that the ICC may have decided to target Putin in large part due to the U.S. encouraging it to do so:

The US has The Hague Invasion Act, but wants The Hague to target Russia | RT
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We've come to expect galloping hypocrisy from any US administration when it comes to foreign affairs- so this duplicity is characteristic. It stems from the irrational need to defend Israel's crimes for votes- and from pressure from AIPAC, masters of character assassination and the blackmail of Congresspersons and Senators. We get our insights into this from Hollywood, ' The Godfather ' being a good example . The ICC is currently investigating Israeli war crimes- to the horror of the corrupt US establishment- and , as you say, pressure is being brought upon the ICC personnel to avoid prosecuting Americans or Israelis. It's quite obvious that pressure has also been brought on the ICC to drop all other cases and concentrate upon Russia- while avoiding similar investigation into the Zelenskies.
So the Russians are far from being tarnished by this charge- but the ICC is not. There will be plenty of ICC personnel cancelling their holidays to pro-Russian countries if indeed Putin goes ahead with what appears to be a legitimate program of prosecutions.
Censorship of any potential pro-Russian media was imposed early in this conflict, otherwise we wouldn't be subjected to the juvenile Russophobic rants common throughout this forum. Mere mention of any justice for Russia causes the brain-scrubbed scorpions to writhe and sting their remaining moral fiber to death.
There will be JPP fellatio fetishists along later in confirmation.



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moon said:
We've come to expect galloping hypocrisy from any US administration when it comes to foreign affairs- so this duplicity is characteristic. It stems from the irrational need to defend Israel's crimes for votes- and from pressure from AIPAC, masters of character assassination and the blackmail of Congresspersons and Senators. We get our insights into this from Hollywood, ' The Godfather ' being a good example . The ICC is currently investigating Israeli war crimes- to the horror of the corrupt US establishment- and , as you say, pressure is being brought upon the ICC personnel to avoid prosecuting Americans or Israelis. It's quite obvious that pressure has also been brought on the ICC to drop all other cases and concentrate upon Russia- while avoiding similar investigation into the Zelenskies.
So the Russians are far from being tarnished by this charge- but the ICC is not.
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I agree, especially since they're apparently accusing the Russians of "kidnapping" Ukrainian children, when in fact they were removing them from a war torn zone for their own safety. The biggest mistake I think Russia made was the forced conscriptions of soldiers, but to Putin's credit, he instituted that well after the start of the war. Furthermore, he never forbid Russians from leaving the country, unlike Zelensky who forbid any male from ages 18 to 60 from leaving Ukraine the day after Russia started its military operation in Ukraine:

Reports: Ukraine bans all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country | usatoday.com
 
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