Russia must pay
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not without extracting de-escalation/demilitarization by Russia.
The problem is it's not even stable in the east. Russia has damn good weapons systems now -no more Soviet junk.
It's a dangerous costly situation and it's just getting worse
Not sure what you mean by extracting deescalation but should they be restricted from having their military where ever the fuck they want in their own country??
While we move our offensive military back from 6,000 miles from home to say only 5,000 miles from home??
you can't just ask NATO or Russia to simply abandon front lines.
You can start a PROCESS of de-escalation is what I'm saying..all that gets worked out.
To do ANY OF THIS requires talks. There aren't even low level talks going on now.
Kerry had ceased meeting with Lavrov except for perfunctory updates on Syria.
Tillerson is supposed to go to Moscow in early April..he got all this Russiaphobia baggage he has to carry.
Hopefully they start some talks to normalization,but you can bet the Dems will scream about it.
Yes I was... I agree, just one small problem I keep mentioning over & over again that makes that much, much more difficult.....
i don't think so. it's amazing what talks can accomplish. ..but check this out..our old friend James Clapper does get around!
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Putin tells Le Pen Russia has no plans to meddle in French election
peaking after their meeting, Le Pen said Putin represented “a sovereign nation” and “new vision”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/24/vladimir-putin-hosts-marine-le-pen-in-moscow
“A new world has emerged in the past years. This is Vladimir Putin’s world, Donald Trump’s world in the United States, Mr [Narendra] Modi’s world in India,” she added.
“I think I am probably the one who shares with all these great nations a vision of cooperation and not one of subservience - a hawkish vision that has too often been expressed by the European Union.”
Russian support for Le Pen appears to have similar roots to the well-publicised backing of Donald Trump. There is both the pro-Moscow rhetoric of the candidate, and the broader goal of supporting a “chaos” candidate who would be likely to erode European unity on issues such as sanctions against Russia.
Le Pen has publicly backed the Russian annexation of Crimea and frequently expressed admiration for Putin.
A Russian hackers’ collective released emails that appeared to show Le Pen had received a loan from a Russian bank in 2014 in return for taking pro-Moscow positions in public.
Le Pen has denied those allegations, but makes no secret of the fact that the Front National has taken loans from foreign banks because French financial institutions refuse to fund the presidential campaign.
On Friday Le Pen said the subject of Russian financial backing for her party had not come up in her meeting with Putin. She did, however, reaffirm her position that if elected she would seek a swift removal of EU sanctions on Russia.
Earlier in the day she had called on Russia and France to work together to save the world from “globalisation and Islamic fundamentalism”, two of her campaign issues. “I’m a totally free woman,” she said. “I don’t want to be under the yoke of the US … I don’t want to be under the yoke of Russia.
Last year, Le Canard Enchaîné, the French satirical newspaper, reported that Mike Turner, a Republican on the US House of Representatives’ permanent select committee on intelligence, had urged American intelligence agencies to look into Le Pen’s Russia connections.
James Clapper, the then director of national intelligence, wrote in a letter dated 28 November that the Front National “publicly acknowledged that it had received a $9.8m loan from a Russian bank with links to the Kremlin, allegedly brokered by a sanctioned Russian Duma deputy, according to French press reports”.
The Front National treasurer, Wallerand de Saint-Just, has insisted Le Pen’s visit is not a campaign fundraising exercise. His comments came as party members admitted they were still short of millions to run the campaign.
Opinion polls suggest Le Pen and the independent centrist Emmanuel Macron will go through from the first-round presidential vote on 23 April to the second round run-off on 7 May.
Putin also has a good relationship with the rightwing Les Républicains candidate François Fillon, who also looks favourably on Moscow.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I can definitely picture Russia going for this.
Cold War 2.0 is not to Putin's advantage..but to just gin it up constantly causes great risks and money fro NATO also
Airstrip One
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Cold War is detrimental to Russia whenever they allow themselves to get suckered into funding an arms race with the US. That's how we beat them last time.
But Putin, the ex-KGB spook is savvy enough to know that there are many people in the West, like you, like Trump, et al. who will provide cover for him and provide excuses for him, thus tempering any Western responses as he seeks to re-constitute, in some form or other, the old Russian empire, the old Russian sphere of influence and domination
You sir prove the crack epidemic in this country is alive and well.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
This was literally the problem during the latter half of the Cold War. Glad to see some of us remember our history.
Airstrip One
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And some of us did not learn a damn thing...
Trump nor any other President is or has attempted to help Russia increase its sphere of influence or domination.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
what purpose does it currently serve?....
yes but we didn't have an entitlement crunch , and a $20T deficit then either. Putin can't outspend us,but ratcheting up Defense spending doesn't help us either..and it's damn dangerous also - nothing says a hot war cannot break out at anytime
you write drivel. where do you see any "western responses tempered"?
are you not familiar with the YUGE expansions of weapons and personnel by NATO already?
just exactly what have we "tempered?"
because the new arms race is working out so well?
Russian arms aren't the old Soviet crap, so we have to meet them in quantity as well as quality.
Germany warns of dangers of new arms race with Russia as conflict in Ukraine intensifies
Sigmar Gabriel has used his first visit to Moscow as foreign minister to underscore his concerns about Russia’s military buildup in the Baltic region and its western borders.
He also expressed concerns about the conflict’s resulting “exorbitant military spending increases”.
Mr Gabriel added that both sides in the conflict needed to implement measures already agreed, including the withdrawal of heavy equipment from the line of conflict.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...a-ukraine-conflict-intensifies-meeting-moscow
You have actually never met any Russians have you?
I know more about Russians, than you could learn in a decade of reading your preposterous right wing blogs.
Russians survived the siege of Lenningrad. Russians survived Stalin. Russians survived a war of annihilation with the Nazi war machine.
Russians have known for centuries what suffering is... and have survived it all with grim fortitude and inner strength.
Putin laughs at the tiny little sanctions the EU and the United States place on Russia as "punishment" for invading a sovereign nation.
They are of little consequence to him as a deterrent.
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