Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine's Kyiv, 3 other cities.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Not evidence of anyone blocking Ukrainians from fleeing to Russia. Statements by Russian or Ukrainian governments aren't really proof of anything other than the governments are making those statements.

So once again, where is your evidence of Russia accepting any refugees? If your original claims are true, we should have seen refugees fleeing from the Donbass region because of Ukrainian attacks and there is no way for the Ukrainians to have prevented them from fleeing to Russia based on where the forces were. Shouldn't we see video and pictures of Ukranians being welcomed to Russia from the regions that Ukraine was supposedly attacking? Ukraine is not attacking Kyiv or Mariupol or the other cities RT is mentioning. Russia is.
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Over 50,000 Ukrainians have already escaped into Russia. You really should get over your block . Many Ukrainians are pro-Russian....and the Ukrainian neo-Nazis don't like it.


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moon said:
Over 50,000 Ukrainians have already escaped into Russia. You really should get over your block . Many Ukrainians are pro-Russian....and the Ukrainian neo-Nazis don't like it.


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So why have only 3% of Ukrainians fled to Russia compared to the 97% that fled to western countries if so many Ukrainians are pro-Russian and it is the Ukrainians that are attacking civilians?
The problem you have here is that the numbers show your original argument to be complete bullshit.

If Ukrainians for the most part were pro-Russian and it was the Ukrainians doing the killing of civilians why would 97% of Ukrainians be fleeing through Ukrainian held territory? Wouldn't the logical choice be to flee to a country that was protecting them? It seems the Ukrainians are speaking rather loudly with their choice of where to flee.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
So why have only 3% of Ukrainians fled to Russia compared to the 97% that fled to western countries if so many Ukrainians are pro-Russian and it is the Ukrainians that are attacking civilians?
The problem you have here is that the numbers show your original argument to be complete bullshit.

If Ukrainians for the most part were pro-Russian and it was the Ukrainians doing the killing of civilians why would 97% of Ukrainians be fleeing through Ukrainian held territory? Wouldn't the logical choice be to flee to a country that was protecting them? It seems the Ukrainians are speaking rather loudly with their choice of where to flee.
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You've just made yourself appear rather foolish by denying that any Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia at all. Now you want to mince about the numbers ?


Haw, haw......................................haw.
 
moon said:
You've just made yourself appear rather foolish by denying that any Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia at all. Now you want to mince about the numbers ?


Haw, haw......................................haw.
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No. I asked you to provide evidence of Ukrainians shelling refugees fleeing. You were unable to do so and are now attempting to pretend the discussion was about something else since you can't provide any support.

Where are your pictures and video of Ukrainian refugees in Russia telling us how they had to flee Ukrainian shelling? The fact that 3% of refugees went to Russia doesn't support your claim.
 
moon said:
Early days. The Ukrainians are still blocking escape routes for pro-Russian Ukrainians.
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It's been known for years that neo-Nazi white supremacists form a significant part of Ukraine's armed militia, hasn't it?
 
Legion said:
Maybe that report is correct.
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Legion said:
It's been known for years that neo-Nazi white supremacists form a significant part of Ukraine's armed militia, hasn't it?
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Yes- just as Putin said. They've been attacking the Donbas for eight years. People are so conditioned to hating Russia that will deny anything the Russians say which is true.
 
moon said:
Yes- just as Putin said. They've been attacking the Donbas for eight years. People are so conditioned to hating Russia that will deny anything the Russians say which is true.
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most people sympathize with the Russian people

everyone knows Putin is root cause of their troubles except older Russians still brainwashed by Soviet false propaganda
 
gemini104104 said:
Russia declares ceasefire in Ukraine's Kyiv, 3 other cities to allow civilians to evacuate." Yet it remains to be determined what this Russian cease fire completely means for the entirety of humanity on Earth.

Russia declared a ceasefire in Ukraine's capital city Kyiv and three other cities - Mariupol, Kharkiv and Sumy - on Monday. The ceasefire will come into effect at 10 am Moscow time (12.30 pm IST).

The ceasefire has been announced to allow for civilian evacuations from the four Ukrainian cities. The Russian army has announced the opening of several humanitarian corridors in Ukraine.

The ceasefire has been announced to allow for civilian evacuations from the four Ukrainian cities. The Russian army has announced the opening of several humanitarian corridors in Ukraine.

FOLLOW LIVE UPDATES ON UKRAINE-RUSSIA WAR

EVACUATIONS HALTED TWICE IN MARIUPOL OVER WEEKEND
On Saturday, Russia had declared a brief ceasefire in Mariupol and Volnovakha to allow civilians to exit. "Today, on March 5 at 10 am Moscow time, the Russian side declares a ceasefire and opens humanitarian corridors for the exit of civilians from Mariupol and Volnovakha," the Russian defence ministry said, as per Russian state-owned news agency Sputnik.

However, this quickly fell apart after Ukrainian officials said shelling had halted the work to remove civilians hours after Russia announced the deal.

On Sunday, Russia declared that humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians from the Ukrainian cities of Mariupol and Volnovakha would be reopened."

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/rus... city Kyiv and,from the four Ukrainian cities.
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Putin has about as much integrity or trustworthiness in the world as Charles Manson, DOnald Trump, or OJ SIMPSON! They are all criminally insane!

You cannot trust him on his word. <-----That's a period!

NEXT!
 
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moon said:
Poor Richard Saunders ;


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Poor Richard Saunders said:
moon said:
So the Ukrainians are shelling civilian corridors. Neo-Nazis, as described.
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Do you have actual evidence in support of that claim? Video? Pictures of dead civilians?

How about news reports of all the civilians being received in Russia or Belarus and given aid?
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Your attempt to change the topic from my original request is noted.

Still waiting for your actual evidence. This is all premised on your claim that civilian corridors were being shelled by Ukraine.
 
Putin has some nerve and lacks logic. I have attacked your homeland and killed your people. If you give me what I want, I will quit killing you. Putin has no credibility at all. However, the deal he offers is ridiculous. Let's get together and announce a deal and omit that it gives me everything I want and gives Ukraine nothing but hollow promises.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Your attempt to change the topic from my original request is noted.

Still waiting for your actual evidence. This is all premised on your claim that civilian corridors were being shelled by Ukraine.
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As the corridors have been closed due to renewed shelling - and the Ukrainians are the faction that objects to the corridors- who do you think is doing the shelling ?

You've been forced to accept that many Ukrainians have fled to Russia and many more are attempting to follow them. They do that through the corridors that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis object to. Who is shelling these pro-Russian Ukrainians, do you think ?
 
moon said:
As the corridors have been closed due to renewed shelling - and the Ukrainians are the faction that objects to the corridors- who do you think is doing the shelling ?

You've been forced to accept that many Ukrainians have fled to Russia and many more are attempting to follow them. They do that through the corridors that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis object to. Who is shelling these pro-Russian Ukrainians, do you think ?
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I don't think I was forced to accept anything since you haven't supported any of your claims.

We don't even know where the small percentage of Ukrainians are from that went to Russia. You are simply making up "facts" out of thin air. Where is the video of one refugee claiming they were attacked by Ukraine? How can anyone be shelling corridors that don't exist. Russia offered to set up these corridors but the offer doesn't suddenly make them exist prior to the offer which is your claim. If the Russian offer to let civilians walk by their troops and the Ukrainians say they won't stop shelling Russian troops that isn't the same thing as Ukrainians shelling civilians.

We know that Russia moved Ukrainians out of the Donbass prior to his invasion, claiming he was protecting them. Those refugees then complained that Putin lied to them and was moving them farther from Ukraine than they wanted to go. What evidence do you have of Ukrainians shelling anyone leaving the country since Russia invaded?

Let me ask again, what video or photographic evidence do you have of Ukrainian refugees being shelled by Ukrainian forces? Please provide actual evidence of Ukrainians attacking any civilians attempting to flee the fighting since Russia invaded Ukraine. Deflection isn't evidence.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
I don't think I was forced to accept anything since you haven't supported any of your claims.
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Sure I have. Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia. You've been forced to accept it. Well over 50,000 to date.
This also forces you to accept that many Ukrainians are pro-Russian, which flies in the face of the propaganda you've been swallowing.
It also forces you to accept the reality of the two pro-Russian Republics in the Donbas and to accept that they exist because of the US-led Ukrainian coup which toppled the legally-elected pro-Russian Ukrainian president and led to the existing clusterfuck that you are still viewing through the prism of your own delusions.
 
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moon said:
Sure I have. Ukrainians are fleeing to Russia. You've been forced to accept it. Well over 50,000 to date.
This also forces you to accept that many Ukrainians are pro-Russian, which flies in the face of the propaganda you've been swallowing.
It also forces you to accept the reality of the two pro-Russian Republics in the Donbas and to accept that they exist because of the US-led Ukrainian coup which toppled the legally-elected pro-Russian Ukrainian president and led to the existing clusterfuck that you are still viewing through the prism of your own delusions.
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Putin moved Ukrainians to Russia prior to his invasion. Prove that the 50,000 refugees in Russia are a result of shelling after Russia invaded. You have presented nothing to support your claim but bullshit.

Ukraine held a democratic election in 2014 and again in 2019. What is your evidence that those elections were not the true wishes of the Ukrainian people? Just because Putin's candidate of choice didn't win doesn't mean the Ukrainians didn't elect the leader of their choice.

A coup would be invading a country to remove the democratically elected leader so you can install your puppet that wasn't elected by the people. It looks like Russia is the country that is trying to commit a coup.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Putin moved Ukrainians to Russia prior to his invasion. Prove that the 50,000 refugees in Russia are a result of shelling after Russia invaded. You have presented nothing to support your claim but bullshit.

Ukraine held a democratic election in 2014 and again in 2019. What is your evidence that those elections were not the true wishes of the Ukrainian people? Just because Putin's candidate of choice didn't win doesn't mean the Ukrainians didn't elect the leader of their choice.

A coup would be invading a country to remove the democratically elected leader so you can install your puppet that wasn't elected by the people. It looks like Russia is the country that is trying to commit a coup.
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you seriously dont get the role of the US in the Maidan of 2014. yes we fomented a coup.
we had Nuland, Kagan, the US ambassador and John McCain on the ground egging on "freedom fighters"
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Putin has about as much integrity or trustworthiness in the world as Charles Manson, DOnald Trump, or OJ SIMPSON! They are all criminally insane!

You cannot trust him on his word. <-----That's a period!

NEXT!
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That's what I get for relying on the media, and I admit I got flim flammed by questionable sources. Unfortunately, I cannot delete this thread because the option is not available.
 
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