Russia celebrates anniversary of ' the return of Crimea to the Motherland '

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Putin hails Crimea annexation and war with lessons on heroism


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Eight years after Russian troops seized Ukraine's southern region of Crimea, the event is being celebrated with flag-waving crowds in Moscow's Luzhniki stadium and special lessons in schools.

President Vladimir Putin made a special appearance before the crowd.

State workers said they had been told to take part. In schools, teachers held lessons marking the "Crimean spring".

The Russian army has used its bases in Crimea to seize towns and cities on Ukraine's south coast.

Mr Putin has regularly used the anniversary to highlight love of the motherland.

Officials said more than 200,000 people had gathered at the stadium, although the numbers could not be verified. He told the crowd: "We know what we have to do next... we'll definitely carry out all the plans we have made'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60793319
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Reports on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective and events in Russia are pretty much banned in the Western media- but the BBC gets away with it by slanting its articles as far towards ' anti-Russia ' as it can while still presenting some truth. This is quite refreshing compared to the staggeringly false propaganda pumped out by others.
 
Crimea is in reality 'probably Russian'. But seizing Territory by force is illegal.
The UN should somehow, someway, work this out between Ukraine and Russia.
 
Jack said:
Crimea is in reality 'probably Russian'. But seizing Territory by force is illegal.
The UN should somehow, someway, work this out between Ukraine and Russia.
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No force was involved. It was settled by referendum.
 
Jack said:
Crimea is in reality 'probably Russian'. But seizing Territory by force is illegal.
The UN should somehow, someway, work this out between Ukraine and Russia.
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The UN has been a fairly useless organization since it's inception. :palm:
 
moon said:
No force was involved. It was settled by referendum.
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So Russian agreements are as worthless as the paper they sign them on?

Russian-signed agreements safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the 1991 Belavezha Accords that established the Commonwealth of Independent States, the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances and the 1997 Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
 
Truth Detector said:
So Russian agreements are as worthless as the paper they sign them on?

Russian-signed agreements safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the 1991 Belavezha Accords that established the Commonwealth of Independent States, the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances and the 1997 Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
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NATO agreed never to expand eastward. Gamechanger.
 
Jack said:
Take it to the UN and resolve the issue. That way everybody is happy AND IT'S LEGALLY RECOGNIZED.
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There is no ' issue' Crimeans voted, almost unanimously, to return to Russian authority- from whence it came.
 
moon said:
NATO agreed never to expand eastward. Gamechanger.
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That wasn't my question. This is between Russia and Ukraine. NATO has nothing to do with it.

I'll ask again, are Russian agreements are as worthless as the paper they sign them on?

Russian-signed agreements safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the 1991 Belavezha Accords that established the Commonwealth of Independent States, the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances and the 1997 Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
 
Truth Detector said:
So Russian agreements are as worthless as the paper they sign them on? Russian-signed agreements safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine, including the 1991 Belavezha Accords that established the Commonwealth of Independent States, the 1975 Helsinki Accords, the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances and the 1997 Treaty on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
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:nodyes:

Treaties and "accords", "understandings", "agreements", "memoranda", etc. are broken or conveniently ignored all the time. By everybody.

We both know that.
 
Truth Detector said:
Well, there are a tiny few successes, Korea and kicking Iraq out of Kuwait come to mind. Of course, both led by the US. Without the US, it would be totally useless.
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I'm pretty sure Korea is still divided and is flaring up again, so, no, I can't agree that counts as any kind of "success", and it wasn't the UN that kicked Iraq out of Kuwait.

BTW, if the USA had deposed Saddam then and there, a lot of bullshit could have been avoided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
 
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