Rulers vs Ruled: 10 Things Government Can Do That Would Land You in Jail

Red Mule said:
It was pointed out to me that I improperly posted a reply to a photo-sig about people being armed in a thread about government. I am guilty, lash me to the tree.

HOWEVER, what does that say about the idiot that stuck that photo on every one of his posts and dragged it around this forum like blood soaked bait in front of sharks and then was shocked when one of them took a bite? If you don't want someone to comment about guns here, perhaps you shouldn't FIRST post your gun-supporting image here. And anyone that likes is welcome to quote me if they think the idiot that put me on ignore should see it.

Have a nice day.
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Yes, clearly it's Rune's fault that you cannot stick to the topic at hand and are distracted by pretty colors and big words.
 
tekkychick said:
And yet, there are tax deductions for mortgage interest, but not for rent or credit card interest. So your whole theory is just blown to pieces.

ps - I know Red Mule from another board; he's an intelligent, ethical poster who adds to the debate, does not detract from it. I realize his post that irritated Rune may have seemed off-topic, but as he is new to this board I recommend un-ignoring him and giving him some time to get used to it.
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I suggest you carefully read my response to Red Mule. If you would then like to debate any points I made, that will be fine. I assure you my response was not made out of irritation but rather my lack of desire to waste time reading bloviating bullshit in the future.
 
tekkychick said:
Certainly that is something worth discussing. After all, the fed did us little good in the runup before the 2007 crash. I don't know enough to say if the US Treasury can handle it or if the Fed adds value. I happen to like the federal reserve for certain personal reasons, but those are separate from whether it adds value or not.
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Why would you even discuss something of which you admittedly have no knowledge?
The FED is possibly the most dangerous organisation on the planet at this time, and serves no useful purpose besides the continued enrichment of it's shareholders.
 
Rune said:
Why would you even discuss something of which you admittedly have no knowledge?
The FED is possibly the most dangerous organisation on the planet at this time, and serves no useful purpose besides the continued enrichment of it's shareholders.
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Honestly, Rune, what is your beef against me? Except for the Greenspan term, the fed seems to me to be doing a good job. Do I know the ins and outs of the fed? no. Please, enlighten me WHY you think the fed is the most dangerous organization. I would say those entities pushing austerity economics are much more dangerous.

I found this at a link:
=== Who are the ten major shareholders of the Federal Reserve Bank System?

One only has to read the law to come up with the answer.

The Federal Reserve System is run by the Board of Governors. --> There are no shares and absolutely no mechanism for private ownership at this level. <-- Board members are appointed by the prez and confirmed by congress. Board members are also forbiddent to have a financial stake in any bank or other financial institution. Congress is charged with oversight of the system (though at a high level).

The law is set up where shares can only be owned by member banks within the Federal Reserve branches. But these are not your typical corporate shares that entitle legal ownership. Rather, they bestow participation rights within the branch. Regardless the number of shares they own, each bank gets only one vote toward the branch Board of Directors who actually run the place. Only member domestic banks can own shares. No individuals or foreign entities.

The shares also do not entitle the bank to any profits of the branch bank. The shares do receive a standard 6% dividend. Otherwise, all Fed profit is turned over to the U.S. Treasury at the end of the year.

So who are the top shareholders. Since the law stipulates that the number of shares must be in proportion to the bank size, just look at the 10 biggest banks for the answer.

The top 3 shareholders ar:

1. Bank of America
2. Morgan Chase
3. Citibank

You can find the rest of the list at http://www.usabanks.org/card.htm?gclid=C…

=== why are they important?

Well, obviously the 10 biggest banks play an important role in the economy.

This involvement of private banks in the day to day running of the branches was an important compromise in 1913 between those that wanted 100% private central bank (the republicans) and those that wanted 100% public (the democrats).

Today we have a 100% public government agency at the top (The Board of Governments) being responsible for monetary policy and running of the system. And branches that are run like private corporations carrying out day-to-day functions.
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080129033627AATEyo5

So when you talk "shareholders" you are not talking about the general public, but major banks. Do I have issues with banks that are "too big to fail"? sure. But again - please specify why you think the fed is evil. I'm happy to listen to facts and data.

I'm NOT happy to listen to insults or slapdowns.
 
TC,
I took your advice and blocked the offending images. Good Call! And thanks for the support, but I suspect it won't matter in the long run. Someone with such a thin skin or hair trigger is not likely to enjoy opposing opinions and an excuse like this to ignore me is probably much easier.

Beyond that, I will stay on message as well as any of those that think they know things we do not about the Fed - or any other things. Truth to be told, there are a great many things about our financial system - including the Fed - that bother me. The game is fixed and always has been. We all just may not be recognizing the same culprits.
 
Red Mule said:
TC,
I took your advice and blocked the offending images. Good Call! And thanks for the support, but I suspect it won't matter in the long run. Someone with such a thin skin or hair trigger is not likely to enjoy opposing opinions and an excuse like this to ignore me is probably much easier.

Beyond that, I will stay on message as well as any of those that think they know things we do not about the Fed - or any other things. Truth to be told, there are a great many things about our financial system - including the Fed - that bother me. The game is fixed and always has been. We all just may not be recognizing the same culprits.
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Fox News 101;

Never receive input from opposing opinions. Block them and hate them.

And if you are even crazier, state;" they have thin skin and a hair trigger and they aren't likely to enjoy opposing opinions".........................................................................................................................wow.............just wow.

Brainwashing 101 is very smililar. "Never intake education from other sources"..............VERY basic brainwashing.. The ONE source is the only one and true source of relevance and should be the only one source of information taken seriously.............

I'm sad for America today........
 
007 is a BOG MAN said:
Yes, clearly it's Rune's fault that you cannot stick to the topic at hand and are distracted by pretty colors and big words.
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SInce when do we have to stay on topic here? What are you a thread nazi now? No one here ever stays on topic and Damo always says it's interesting to see where a thread goes. You are making this new person believe they have to make every effort to stay on topic. Just so they know - that's bullshit. That is not how it is here.
 
Rune, I apologize if my answer re the fed was a bit abrupt. Your comment "Why would you even discuss something of which you admittedly have no knowledge? " annoyed me - what's the point of discussing things only if you already know all about them? Believe it or not, I do like to hear from other people what they know about various topics; it's how I learn. I'm not here to flame or to show off my own knowledge.

Yes, in general, I think the fed is doing a good job (based on our economy surviving many recessions). I do think Greenspan did us a huge disservice during his term.

So please do let me know why you think it is evil and what you would do differently.
 
While I directed that comment at Rune, I'm also interested in Red Mule's and others' opinions/knowledge. And of course there were lots of other things on the original list we can discuss.
 
Red Mule said:
TC,
I took your advice and blocked the offending images. Good Call!
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The images and long signatures are very different from the last forum we were on; I was glad to find a way to disable them. I've left sigs on for now, we'll see how it goes; I'm getting more used to them, but it does distract sometimes...
 
Anti-Party said:
And if you are even crazier, state;" they have thin skin and a hair trigger and they aren't likely to enjoy opposing opinions"...
I'm sad for America today........
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Sounds like shooting the messenger instead of addressing the message, pro or con, to me.

You haven't explained why you think my statement about someone that would use ignore for me responding to their image message and getting off thread is "even crazier" than only accepting one source of info. Really, I'd like to understand this view. But, I guess THAT is off thread as well

That's the thing I really don't understand yet about this forum. Some people post images with messages and that is not off thread (I'm guessing) and others make personal statements about other posters and that is also (still guessing) not off thread. At least nobody is putting them on ignore for it that I see.

As far as being sad for America today? Having studied history a bit, I'm not too sad. I'm not saying there isn't a lot left to do, but we really aren't THAT different from the beginning. People with different POVs still argue and call each other names. The system is still rigged to maintain the status quo as far as power and wealth. But, we have eradicated legal slavery, we have mainly provided universal citizen suffrage (voting), and we have made all kinds of other improvements as well. (Cutting that part short, because I'm sure someone will point out that isn't about Rulers-vs-Ruled-10-Things-Government-Can-Do-That-Would-Land-You-in-Jail. Or maybe it is?
 
man in the big long trend becomes more liberal all the time.

In the short term there will be people who always seek to take mankind back into the past.


They are always on the wrong side of history.


That is the current day republican party.

they want this country and mankind to fail.


Its why the obstruct everything in government now.


They dont believe in democracy.


they hate the word and deny its very definition.


They lie about the very definition of Democracy.


They sign the pledges of a man who says he wants to murder this country.


They read sites like the Heritage foundation which was started by a man who OPENLY talked about keeping Americans from voting to win elections.


If the founders could see the current republican party they would label them traitors.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
http://informationliberation.com/?id=43987



Didn't we once have a government that was supposed to be limited and do nothing more than protect our rights????

no

while i agree with some of your post, i disagree most with your position on taxes. TANSTAFL

"We are fast approaching the stage of ultimate inversion: the stage where government is free to do as it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission." - Ayn Rand
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rand sucks and her position with regard to government is irrational and unworkable.

next time you decide to post a link for the bulk of your post, do not do it. i would have responded more cogently, but you took the easy way out.
 
Red Mule said:
Sounds like shooting the messenger instead of addressing the message, pro or con, to me.

You haven't explained why you think my statement about someone that would use ignore for me responding to their image message and getting off thread is "even crazier" than only accepting one source of info. Really, I'd like to understand this view. But, I guess THAT is off thread as well

That's the thing I really don't understand yet about this forum. Some people post images with messages and that is not off thread (I'm guessing) and others make personal statements about other posters and that is also (still guessing) not off thread. At least nobody is putting them on ignore for it that I see.

As far as being sad for America today? Having studied history a bit, I'm not too sad. I'm not saying there isn't a lot left to do, but we really aren't THAT different from the beginning. People with different POVs still argue and call each other names. The system is still rigged to maintain the status quo as far as power and wealth. But, we have eradicated legal slavery, we have mainly provided universal citizen suffrage (voting), and we have made all kinds of other improvements as well. (Cutting that part short, because I'm sure someone will point out that isn't about Rulers-vs-Ruled-10-Things-Government-Can-Do-That-Would-Land-You-in-Jail. Or maybe it is?
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YOu don't have to stay on topic, I go off topic all the time, everyone here does. I avoid the gun threads becasue I have friends on the other side of the issue and it's not like I'm going to change their mind or they mine. Sometimes I post on them, but not too much. They are so violently emotional, those threads. But you didn't do anything wrong.
 
Red Mule said:
So, I will decide just how armed and how well supplied with ammo I think any of us need to be based on need and logic. Not on the ideas of a 18th century man, no matter what his contribution to the early US. Or to any of those men who would have had no concept of the power of today's weapons and the way in which many of them are used. In GW's entire presidency, I will wager there was not a single mass murder of 5 year old children by the psycho son of a gun collector that thought her armory would (and ultimately didn't) protect her. I bet there was not a single attack on the people watching a Batman movie. There was not a single Columbine. There was not ...
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Oh, don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of things you could tell us how to do better.
 
evince said:
man in the big long trend becomes more liberal all the time.

In the short term there will be people who always seek to take mankind back into the past.


They are always on the wrong side of history.


That is the current day republican party.

they want this country and mankind to fail.


Its why the obstruct everything in government now.


They dont believe in democracy.


they hate the word and deny its very definition.


They lie about the very definition of Democracy.


They sign the pledges of a man who says he wants to murder this country.


They read sites like the Heritage foundation which was started by a man who OPENLY talked about keeping Americans from voting to win elections.


If the founders could see the current republican party they would label them traitors.
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Why do you out so much faith in government entities? Where does this unshakable trust come from?
 
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