Roy Moore: I may have dated teenagers

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Absolutely nothing, and its hard to make the case against Moore in a court of law too....
The point is hypocrisy....and judging a person on allegations alone....

The only legal action would have to be civil, at this late date.

I'm under the impression that even if a criminal act was alleged - and I don't think it has been - the statute of limitations would preclude any prosecution, even if the lack of evidence did not.

I won't be at all surprised to see Gloria Allred and/or her daughter attempting to pry a settlement out of Moore in the next few days.

The burden of proof is far less, standards of evidence are not nearly as stringent, and paying a settlement without admitting guilt is the way that over 95% of civil actions end in America.

Just ask Bill Clinton.

 

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You're entitled to find Moore's comment as telling as you like. Perhaps the voters in Alabama will agree. Who are you to say what is and isn't credible?

Guilt or innocence doesn't enter into this. unless I am mistaken the statute of limitations would cover any supposed crime even if one was being alleged.

The damage has been done to Moore's chances of winning the election, and I suspect that was the plan all along.

It's strange to say the least that these women supposedly sat on this information for decades and were suddenly "accidentally" discovered by a news organization that is notoriously anti-conservative.

And just in time for an election that many people thought the DEMOCRATS had no chance of winning. What a remarkable st of coincidences.

To address your point about Moore's demeanor, please recall that Bill Clinton was very convincing when he told the entire nation an outright lie about his sexual affair with a much younger women.

Perhaps you will concede the point that glibness and poise are hardly indicative of honesty, and the reverse is also inconclusive.

I would possibly be nearly incoherent with rage and shock if I were suddenly accused of something of the sort after decades.

Credibility is subjective. I think Moore's comments bring his credibility into doubt - to me, it doesn't seem possible that a person wouldn't remember these kinds of details.

You're allowed to believe what YOU want to believe. I'm not forcing you to think he's guilty. I don't even know he's guilty - but his comments sure aren't helping him.

And I didn't think Clinton was very convincing w/ that comment. I knew he was lying; I think most did.

 

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It's not a contradiction. If someone thinks it's a "sham allegation," they're saying that the accused is lying. I think the accused deserves the same "innocent until proven guilty" benefit of the doubt - they are innocent of lying until someone proves otherwise. It's not contradictory. It's allowing both sides their day in court. Victims have been vilified for WAY too long.

What court will both sides appear in, little Thingy?

Are accusers "victims" if their allegations are never proven or disproven?

The court of public opinion is what matters in the election, and I suspect that's the court the DEMOCRATS were hoping to get a verdict of "elected" in when they cooked up this scheme.

 

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Credibility is subjective. I think Moore's comments bring his credibility into doubt - to me, it doesn't seem possible that a person wouldn't remember these kinds of details. You're allowed to believe what YOU want to believe. I'm not forcing you to think he's guilty. I don't even know he's guilty - but his comments sure aren't helping him. And I didn't think Clinton was very convincing w/ that comment. I knew he was lying; I think most did.

Yet most DEMOCRATS still support him, don't they?

Do you find that all all disquieting, little Thingy?

I will categorically denounce and disavow Moore if and when he is proven a liar. Can the DEMOCRATS say they treated Bill Clinton in an equitable fashion after he admitted his lie publicly?

 

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What court will both sides appear in, little Thingy?

Are accusers "victims" if their allegations are never proven or disproven?

The court of public opinion is what matters in the election, and I suspect that's the court the DEMOCRATS were hoping to get a verdict of "elected" in when they cooked up this scheme.

Well, it MIGHT be the court of public opinion. But you're basically calling her a liar regardless, based on very little aside from "timing."

Alleged victims deserve much better than that. What if she is telling the truth, which I think is quite possible? You've called her allegation a "sham allegation"...think about that.

 

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Yet most DEMOCRATS still support him, don't they?

Do you find that all all disquieting, little Thingy?

I will categorically denounce and disavow Moore if and when he is proven a liar. Can the DEMOCRATS say they treated Bill Clinton in an equitable fashion after he admitted his lie publicly?

I'm not a Democrat, and I don't speak for them. I was disgusted w/ Clinton's behavior - and I know many on the left, including self-identified Democrats, who felt the same.

Can't speak for a whole party, though. How do you feel about the GOPers who say it doesn't matter even if he is guilty?

 

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Absolutely nothing, and its hard to make the case against Moore in a court of law too....
The point is hypocrisy....and judging a person on allegations alone....

Is petting, heavy or otherwise, illegal under 16 in the US? It certainly isn't over here, or as last it wasn't, otherwise the jails would be filled to bursting point. It's truly funny how attitudes change, until 1927 you could get married legally in Britain at the age of 12. Now we are told that 17 year old teens are still children.

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[domer76]

Go get the proof of what you claimed.

 

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And, I should add - Lewinsky was NOT underage.

I still think his behavior w/ a young intern was disgusting, but there isn't much equivalency there.

 

[domer76]

What was the age difference between Blowjob Bill and young Monica?

Funny how that didn't seem to incite many DEMOCRATS to call for Blowjob Bill to quit.

Selective morality from the party that brought us trans men in women's toilets?

DESPERATE DIVERSION!

 

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It's not a contradiction. If someone thinks it's a "sham allegation," they're saying that the accused is lying.

Point of order, little Thingy. If you were referring to me, I said

I don't like to see sham allegations that look as though they were concocted to steal an election.

I am not saying that I think the accused lying per se, I am saying I don't like to see sham allegations that look as though they were concocted to steal an election.

I also strongly suspect that the accusers are lying, but as previously acknowledged, I cannot prove it.

It is incumbent upon the accuser to prove their allegations are true, isn't it?

An affirmative defense that rebuts an accusation is the right of the accused.

 

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That’s not an answer, a yes or no will do

Its my answer..... I leave guilt or innocence to be determined by the findings of the court...

I'm not privy to any actual proof in any of these matters.....

I'm inclined to give an underage accuser more weight in these matters, true..., but I can't be the judge in any case...not Moore, Trump, Cosby or even Clinton..

I may lean one way or the other on what is public knowledge but thats about it.....in Cosby's case and Moore I lean toward their guilt, in Trumps, not so much.

all I've heard are allegations with no proof at all....

Male college kids have had their lives destroyed by accusations alone....

 

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Point of order, little Thingy. If you were referring to me, I said



I am not saying that I think the accused lying per se, I am saying I don't like to see sham allegations that look as though they were concocted to steal an election.

I also strongly suspect that the accusers are lying, but as previously acknowledged, I cannot prove it.

It is incumbent upon the accuser to prove their allegations are true, isn't it?

An affirmative defense that rebuts an accusation is the right of the accused.

The bolded is true, but the accuser deserves his/her own shroud of innocence. I hate seeing accusers attacked and their credibility undermined in a baseless way - and yes, that included Clinton's accusers, who I thought had their character discredited in an organized & merciless way.

I didn't vote for Hillary largely because of that and her Iraq vote.

 

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Credibility is subjective. I think Moore's comments bring his credibility into doubt - to me, it doesn't seem possible that a person wouldn't remember these kinds of details.

You're allowed to believe what YOU want to believe. I'm not forcing you to think he's guilty. I don't even know he's guilty - but his comments sure aren't helping him.

And I didn't think Clinton was very convincing w/ that comment. I knew he was lying; I think most did.

Well if you've only had one or two sexual encounters that might be true. Many men, whilst sowing their wild oats might have had sexual partners in double, even triple figures.

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Its my answer..... I leave guilt or innocence to be determined by the findings of the court...

I'm not privy to any actual proof in any of these matters.....

I'm inclined to give an underage accuser more weight in these matters, true..., but I can't be the judge in any case...not Moore, Trump, Cosby or even Clinton..

I may lean one way or the other on what is public knowledge but thats about it.....in Cosby's case and Moore I lean toward their guilt, in Trumps, not so much.

all I've heard are allegations with no proof at all....

Male college kids have had their lives destroyed by accusations alone....

The bolded is really the flip side of it. The Duke case was chilling - but even that accuser deserved the benefit of the doubt in the beginning.

The lesson of Duke is that the accused ARE innocent until proven guilty. Neither side should be baselessly attacked or condemned.

 

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I can't imagine ever saying, "I don't remember going on dates with a 14 year old when I was 32.. but if we went on dates then we went on dates..." Wut?

This is a bit like an actor saying, "I am homosexual and was drunk, I'm sorry" when he groped a 14 year old and tried to surprise sex him... I can't imagine ever saying, "I am hetero and was drunk" as an excuse for groping and trying to rape a 14 year old girl. It's not an excuse.

Now going on dates with 18 year old girls isn't illegal, but dude is beyond uncomfortable to listen to on this subject.

40 years ago, it was legal to marry at 16 in a state like Alabama. At some point, it was quite common throughout the world.

But all those FACTS aside, where are the FACTS in this salacious attempt by the media to steal a Senate seat for the Democratic Party of the jackass? There are NONE.

This is further evidence that real journalism has no place in today's media. They have become no better than tabloid gossip rags like the Inquirer. Hell, even the enquirer gets more right than the Washinton Compost.

 

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He was clearly dating teenagers when he was in his 30's, that is creepy if not illegal.

How do you know this counselor? Where are the facts in this case other than slanderous salacious innuendo?

 

[Jarod]

What was the age difference between Blowjob Bill and young Monica?

Funny how that didn't seem to incite many DEMOCRATS to call for Blowjob Bill to quit.

Selective morality from the party that brought us trans men in women's toilets?

As you get older the age difference matters less, especially once you have passed your teen years... btw The age difference was less than that between Melania and Donald.

 

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The bolded is true, but the accuser deserves his/her own shroud of innocence. I hate seeing accusers attacked and their credibility undermined in a baseless way - and yes, that included Clinton's accusers, who I thought had their character discredited in an organized & merciless way. I didn't vote for Hillary largely because of that and her Iraq vote.

Well, I wish there were more like you, then.

 

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So, it looks like we have people whose "outrage" is based on their dislike of Moore's professions of Christian faith, rather than any facts in evidence.

Spot on. But let's not overlook the more sinister part of this story; it is a desperate attempt by the FAKE media and Democratic Party of the jackass to steal a senate seat with the complicity of establishment Republican morons like McConnel and McCain.