Rosanne gets the ax!

[Leonthecat]

You don't seem to even know what racism is, nor are you making any sense.
Political freedom REQUIRES defending unpopular expressions as well as popular ones.
If you believe in suppressing any legal views, then it is you who are illegally discriminating.

Read my signature, racist.

 

[Rigby5]

Racism is not an ideology. It is pure ignorance.

It would not matter if racism were pure ignorance or not, ignorance is political once you try to propagate it.
Most politicians run on platforms of propagating ignorance, whether is it racial, religious fear, greed, hysteria, etc.
You can't legally legislate against ignorance.
People have a right to their ignorance beliefs, because your views could be just as ignorant.

 

[Leonthecat]

If Roseanne were a racist, then why would she run for president as a socialist?
The socialist platform is very strictly anti-racist.
I can't think of any one more anti racist then Roseanne.
She is about as left wing as anyone can get and still get Hollywood to let them on the stage.
You really need to look up some facts.

Her tweet was a racist rant. Her history is irrelevant to that fact.
It wasn't her first.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

It was both funny and true

It was american, that much is true.

 

[Leonthecat]

It would not matter if racism were pure ignorance or not, ignorance is political once you try to propagate it.
Most politicians run on platforms of propagating ignorance, whether is it racial, religious fear, greed, hysteria, etc.
You can't legally legislate against ignorance.
People have a right to their ignorance beliefs, because your views could be just as ignorant.

You do have a right to be ignorant. You do not have a right to bring down your employer by displaying that ignorance in a public manner. Disney was protecting itself.

 

[Rigby5]

The civil war was brought on by treason. Not political upheaval.

Wrong.
States joined the Union voluntarily, and the Declaration of Independence ensures that people then also have the inherent right to leave any union they have joined.
There was not one bit of treason involved in the secession or any aspect of the Civil War.
Treason only refers to US citizens collaborating with a foreign enemy against the US.
That did not happen with the Civil War.
The only reason the North could legally attack the South in the Civil War, was that the South attacked Ft. Sumpter when the North started to upgrade it.
So in effect, the South started the hostilities.

 

[Rigby5]

Read my signature, racist.

That is stupid because all races always believe themselves to be superior.
Otherwise races would not exist.
The inherent desire is to pick mates who appear like your ancestors.
It is an natural instinct that ensures the highest fertility rate.

 

[kudzu]

No, the law is quite clear employers can not legally infringe or discriminate, and one of the protected areas is political expression.
Employers can suppress political expression in the work place to a degree, but not out of the workplace.

{...
The National Labor Relations Act, which does cover private employers, may not apply directly to political speech per se in the private workplace. However, it does give non-supervisory employees a limited right to engage in free speech and other protected concerted activities for their “mutual aid and protection.”

For example, under this federal labor law, employees may wear union buttons or insignia in the workplace, absent special circumstances. They may engage in solicitations for political causes on their employer’s property so long as neither the employee doing the solicitation and the employee being solicited are not engaging in such activities during working time.

Similarly, employees may engage in distribution of political materials on the employer’s property so long as the distribution does not occur in working areas. Moreover, employers who allow candidates to come on to their property and campaign, may undermine their rights to maintain and enforce otherwise lawful limits on employee solicitation or distribution.

Court rulings and opinions of the General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) also make it clear that employees can engage in political campaign activities that may be contrary to the interests or positions of their employer. For example, discharging employees for campaigning against immigration reform or for repeal of a state’s right to work law would be unlawful.

The NLRB has also recently been very active in applying the right of employees to engage in protected concerted activities for their mutual aid and protection to social media such as Facebook and Twitter — even when the employees are not working. The NLRB has published three extensive reports in the past year expounding on these rights. Thus, employers should be careful to appreciate and not violate rights of employees who exercise their emerging rights to use such forms of social media.

...}
https://www.tlnt.com/political-speech-in-the-workplace-employers-beware/

Public employees’ right to freedom of expression is expressly and properly protected beyond that of the privately employed....

 

[Leonthecat]

Wrong.
States joined the Union voluntarily, and the Declaration of Independence ensures that people then also have the inherent right to leave any union they have joined.
There was not one bit of treason involved in the secession or any aspect of the Civil War.
Treason only refers to US citizens collaborating with a foreign enemy against the US.
That did not happen with the Civil War.
The only reason the North could legally attack the South in the Civil War, was that the South attacked Ft. Sumpter when the North started to upgrade it.
So in effect, the South started the hostilities.

It was a treasonous insurrection that was put down by our country.
You should be proud of the outcome, if you are an American..

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Racism is not an ideology. It is pure ignorance.

Ignorance is what america was founded upon. How else can a nation state get a nation of subjugates to simultaneously accept the notions of freedom/liberty and exceptionalism versus its own slavery built economic system and foundatinal genocide? I'm always amused at the reaction of folks when racism raises its ugly head to a level at which it cannot, for a moment, be denied or ignored as part of the fabric of american society.

Kinda like school shootings.

We always have to convice ourselves the next one is a shock and a surprise. No it's not, it's routine.

 

[Rigby5]

Her tweet was a racist rant. Her history is irrelevant to that fact.
It wasn't her first.

There is no way to determine racism in a short tweet.
Roseanne has absolutely NO history of racism.
She never tweeted any thing of racist intent.

 

[Rigby5]

Public employees’ right to freedom of expression is expressly and properly protected beyond that of the privately employed....

The NLR Act quote starts out with, "...The National Labor Relations Act, which does cover private employers,...".
So NO, we are not just talking about government employees being protected, and all states also cover private employee political protection as well.
Its in every state constitution, because they all mirror the federal constitution.

 

[blackascoal]

The intent of firing someone over a political expression is intimidate people and suppress any future political expression.

You are not free to express any dumb ass thing you may want to say without consequence on television.

Who told you that you could?

 

[Rigby5]

You do have a right to be ignorant. You do not have a right to bring down your employer by displaying that ignorance in a public manner. Disney was protecting itself.

Unless someone is a paid spokes person for an advertising campaign or something, they do NOT at all represent the company, and the company has absolutely NO right at all to try to suppress the employee's own personal beliefs.
Employees do NOT reflect on their employers, and in fact employees individual rights to express beliefs contrary to employers beliefs is absolutely and completely guaranteed.
Anything else is TREASON.
And that is real treason, not the misunderstanding you believe.

 

[Rigby5]

You are not free to express any dumb ass thing you may want to say without consequence on television.

Who told you that you could?

Well first of all, yes, if you get a permit to use the airwaves, then you can freely express any dumb ass thing you want, as long as it is not deliberate libel, slander, or inciting others to illegal violence.

But we were never talking about on television.
We were talking about Roseanne's tweet that was critical of Jarrett's Mideast policies.

I happen to disagree with Roseanne's opinion, but would kill to defend her right to say it.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No I am not.
Rights do not have to be explicitly enumerated.
And the MI constitution is sufficient for a judge to rule in Roseanne's favor if it had happened in MI.

so the issue wasn't whether Michigan law made it illegal to fire someone for their political beliefs, but what you hoped and dreamed might happen.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

poor bucKKKle.....he thinks the question is about his family members instead of whether someone can be fired for their political beliefs......

 

[Leonthecat]

There is no way to determine racism in a short tweet.
Roseanne has absolutely NO history of racism.
She never tweeted any thing of racist intent.

Barr’s tweet referencing Jarrett, who she said is what you’d get if the “muslim brotherhood and planet of the apes had a baby,” was not the first time the Roseanne star has made racist comments toward black women. In 2013, Barr said former National Security Advisor Susan Rice was a “big man with swinging ape balls” in a since-deleted tweet.

 

[Leonthecat]

Well first of all, yes, if you get a permit to use the airwaves, then you can freely express any dumb ass thing you want, as long as it is not deliberate libel, slander, or inciting others to illegal violence.

But we were never talking about on television.
We were talking about Roseanne's tweet that was critical of Jarrett's Mideast policies.

I happen to disagree with Roseanne's opinion, but would kill to defend her right to say it.

Who are you willing to kill, racist.

 

[blackascoal]

Well first of all, yes, if you get a permit to use the airwaves, then you can freely express any dumb ass thing you want, as long as it is not deliberate libel, slander, or inciting others to illegal violence.

But we were never talking about on television.
We were talking about Roseanne's tweet that was critical of Jarrett's Mideast policies.

I happen to disagree with Roseanne's opinion, but would kill to defend her right to say it.

That may be what you do, but what you do about Roseanne is a personal business decision, not a business decision.

... and no, one does not get to say any damn thing they want publicly without consequence ..